Male friend on FB (a doctor no less), telling me that trans women are real women.

[Blondiebeachbabe]

I shared a meme on FB, about not supporting trans women in female sports.

A male friend of mine, who is a GP, commented that trans women are real women 🙄 I replied that trans women are men, and that my gripe was men in women’s sports, and men (rapists like Karen White), being housed in female prisons.

He then said that he knew lots of trans men, who just wanted to live a peaceful life, and I’m thinking well yes, because they are actually biologically female!

He then went on to quote all manner of statistics about violence from men against trans women and how trans women are at more risk of violence than cis women (I hate that term). and how cis women are more likely to be attacked by cis men than trans women.

It’s been annoying me all day. Here is another male telling me what to think, but also, whether the violence comes from normal men against trans women (who are men), or trans women against real women, this is essentially a male violence problem.

Because, we as women, aren’t the perpetrators in any of this. So men, stay in your own lane and sort out all your shit. You don’t get to throw the men you don’t like into our lane (bathrooms and prisons), and make us your collateral damage.

If a fox said that it felt like it was a chicken, you wouldn’t let it sleep in the chicken coup, just in case it was lying.

I may not have articulated this in the best way!

Quite apart from anything else many women don't want to share their intimate spaces with any man.

I don't want to get changed in front of my father-in-law. And he's lovely.

And when I was throwing up every day for weeks when I was pregnant, I could do without being overheard by my male colleagues.

Fucks sake. Some women simply can't wait to roll over

Why is this relevant and important?

Why are you putting this man ahead of your rights? Why is this man more important to your DH than you?

Get a grip woman. This isn't a diplomatic issue. If the man is a twat, just say it rather than trying to be kind. He doesn't give a shit about you and the implications of this to you. You are just a woman to be sneered at and dismissed rudely. Which HE has DONE.

Yes.

@Blondiebeachbabe This is something you posted on your Facebook profile. Your husband's friend wasn't required to comment. If he has decided to start an argument about something you posted, you're well within your rights to disagree with him. You don't need to be particularly considerate of his feelings.

I don't know why anyone thinks that I didn't argue my point. I did! I think someone upthread suggested that I tell him to fuck off. That I did not do, because it's not helpful. I told him that trans women are men, and listed several reasons why they shouldn't be in our spaces and shouldn't be allowed to complete in women's sports. He kept throwing stupid stats at me about crime, and I countered every time. He didn't reply to my last retort, and and I've left it at that. If he was a total stranger, I might have thrown in a "fuck off you twat" comment, but he isn't, he's a friend.

What on earth does their hairiness have to do with anything?? Do transwomen prefer women's toilets because women are more likely to wax or shave? Are they expecting to SEE the waxed vs unwaxed areas? Of all things threatening about men, their hairiness is not one of them.
Also, the answer is no, it doesnt remove ALL risk to women (no cis prefix needed, the word woman works fine as it is), but it does MASSIVELY reduce the risk of being assaulted by men if no men are allowed.

I haven’t, but that’s probably because I don’t use the women’s toilets. I’ve also never suffered violence in the men’s toilets. Most men just want to get in and out again with the minimum fuss and human interaction. Occasionally there may be a bit of conversation, particularly if supporters of rival sporting teams are present. I haven’t encountered an obviously trans person in the gents, but I would expect them to suffer no worse than a raised eyebrow, or in a rough part of town maybe a drunken insult.

Yes, the reference to hairiness made me laugh!

If TW don’t want to share spaces with hairy people, they’ll be very disappointed if they end up in the facilities with me 😂

I am new to this forum so please excuse my ignorance but i have a question. Like people from other minorities, i believe they should be free from abuse and discrimination. Live and let live.. Correct me if I'm wrong. I have known/ know of/ met many gay/lesbian/bi people but very few trans. There is one working in my local b&q who stands out. I met one on holiday in Cornwall. There surely aren't that many though? So why are trans rights such a massive issue ? Is it about eradicating women?

We don't believe in your pseudo religion.

Sorry, pal.

Is that you, Keir?

They do remain legally men unless they get a GRC, which the vast majority do not. Even then, they only have a legal sex of female for legal purposes (Judge Choudhury in Forstater). The law doesn't claim that they have literally changed bio sex.

Men, however they identify and whatever certificates they or do not have, remain biologically male. Which is something a doctor ought to understand.

Ooh, tut tut. Avoiding the dodgy person, if said person happens to be trans, is a hate crime microaggression according to the University of Edinburgh. Specifically - 'avoidance'.

From my perspective, the problem is not with trans people, but with the ideology they (or more accurately some of them) try to impose on everyone else. My son wants me to refer to him by a different name and feminine pronouns, and because I find that emotionally difficult (I have not even refused to do so - yet!) I am shouted at and called a bigot; there is the ever present threat of him going “no contact” if we do not do as we are told. This coercive behaviour is very common.

Then there is the erosion of women’s rights to spaces of their own. This is another large part of gender ideology, that we must accept trans people as members of the opposite sex, and therefore ‘transwomen’ (men who say they are women) have rights to be treated in every way as women. This is at the expense of women’s dignity and safety in women’s spaces.

I am not aware of any other minority group demanding these things. Gays and lesbians didn’t demand that we affirm them like this. Religious groups are not forcing us to loudly affirm their beliefs by saying Amen to their prayers. Atheists do not force me to agree to their worldviews. Trans Rights Activists are the only ones trying to force a wholesale redefinition of language without our consent, almost entirely at the expense of women.

I do find it a bit sad that so many people in our society lack the personal judgement to recognise the difference between Levi Bellfield and some trans woman just wanting to pee in peace.

This is actually really offensive @Chevybaby.

Please do tell us how to identify predatory and/or violent men. If you know, then you should share this information with women- why wouldn’t you? Think how many lives you could save. All those silly women who have trusted their partners, male friends, even the police. We’d all love to know how to spot the wrong’uns, so please share your wisdom. 🙏

The suffragettes rightly fought for women to have the same rights as men because it did negatively affect them. Trans people having rights, despite your beliefs, does not affect you.

What rights do trans people not already have?

As far as I can see they already have the same rights as everyone else and are currently agitating for rights no one else has.

I’m not sure what the good doctor’s trying to say. I can only infer the reason that TW suffer more violence than women is the recognition by men, that they are male. What else could it be? If men recognise them as male then surely women will too. But women will just have to get on with it, knowing the person is male, because the men who recognise them as male maybe violent. Is that it? Maybe the good doctor could have a word with all the males to solve the problem.

It is irrelevant how many of them there are.

As soon as you say that a very special, self-selecting group of male people can use women's single sex spaces without any kind of gatekeeping whatsoever, literally any male person can use women's single sex spaces whenever they like.

They don't suffer more violence than women.

About two women are murdered every week by a male perpertrator.

The only trans person murdered in the UK in the last five years is Brianna Ghey.

Did you actually read the statistics? You seem to have just completely ignored them. Could he have a point?

You are all trying to disguise your hate for trans people as a women's safety issue. Now it may be there, but I know damn well you are mostly pressed because you don't agree it is possible to be trans!

Unless you meet these people in real life (outside of the media) and understand their struggles, you will never view this issue with empathy, which is crucial.

If you are not willing to do your research, so be it, and we can continue to live black and white.

Plop.

Unless you meet the people adversely affected by gender identity ideology in real life and understand their struggles, you will never view this issue with empathy, which is crucial. And the media have been nigh on silent on this aspect.

Little tangent: there are some interesting articles out there about how inherently ablist it is to decide that one knows what other people are really thinking when they say x and y, and how this behaviour on non-disabled people's part pushes autistic people out of society.

If transwomen are as deviant and predatory as they are made out to be in this forum then it's a wonder anyone here leaves the house. If transwomen aren't women then they're all what? Men? Really nasty men?

All of them? Every last one?

I'd feel safer peeing in a cubicle next to a transwoman than 90% of the people in this forum.

Wasn't aiming that at you @commonsense12 but the thread generally