Male friend on FB (a doctor no less), telling me that trans women are real women.

[Blondiebeachbabe]

I shared a meme on FB, about not supporting trans women in female sports.

A male friend of mine, who is a GP, commented that trans women are real women 🙄 I replied that trans women are men, and that my gripe was men in women’s sports, and men (rapists like Karen White), being housed in female prisons.

He then said that he knew lots of trans men, who just wanted to live a peaceful life, and I’m thinking well yes, because they are actually biologically female!

He then went on to quote all manner of statistics about violence from men against trans women and how trans women are at more risk of violence than cis women (I hate that term). and how cis women are more likely to be attacked by cis men than trans women.

It’s been annoying me all day. Here is another male telling me what to think, but also, whether the violence comes from normal men against trans women (who are men), or trans women against real women, this is essentially a male violence problem.

Because, we as women, aren’t the perpetrators in any of this. So men, stay in your own lane and sort out all your shit. You don’t get to throw the men you don’t like into our lane (bathrooms and prisons), and make us your collateral damage.

If a fox said that it felt like it was a chicken, you wouldn’t let it sleep in the chicken coup, just in case it was lying.

I may not have articulated this in the best way!

I think the dogs are quite confused, tbh. I've gone from crying, to maniacal laughing in the space of a few hours. They are staring at me.

Fungi declared themselves out of the thread a while ago, as their assertions dissolved on contact with reality. We never got any further on unpicking their patronising "Transwomen do not have a penis, you do realise".

So, @fungipie - how do you know which male humans are TW who have had their penis removed, and which male humans are “not real TW” who have intact male genitalia?

Do you ask them, and then treat them according to their answer?
What if they lie about retaining their penis?
What about a male person who knows they are a woman, but who cannot undergo surgery (eg someone who is allergic to anaesthetic)? Is that person a fake TW?

Hmmmmm?

I never found out whether Fungipie had met any previously incarcerated women, either. I'm going to guess the answer is no, and that Fungipie thinks her male friends' are more important than my female friends and family.

I don't agree.

Helleofabore · Today 10:41

And no one arguing that female people allow these male people access has produced one shred of evidence that these male people have changed in any way from all other male people.

There's quite a lot of angry shouting and "I've already told you!"

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

My grandfather was a pillar of the community, known and admired by all in the town. A trusted person in a job that is the sort of role people (used to) look up to.

My mum's first memory is cowering under the kitchen table while her mum shouted don't hit the kids, leave the little ones alone.

If TW are excused from the men's toilets because they might be at risk from male violence surely we should extend that 'protection' to other vulnerable men? Young teens, disabled men, old men, ill men, small men they could all legitimately have a reason to fear being in public toilets with fit, strong, potentially violent men. Why don't we let them into the ladies? My 14 year old nephew is lovely, he wouldn't hurt a fly. Likewise my godfather, a delightful 81 year old with the kindest nature I have ever come across. No one needs safeguarding from them.

oh Blondie I hope you are feeling OK and that arsehole hasn't spoilt you whole day. 💐What a delightful chap he sounds. I bet someone out there would describe him as their lovely friend though.

Sinner, I always marvel that posters do that. And that there usually is very poor evidence produced, if any at all.

What I don't understand is why some posters, seeing their arguments countered easily, don't then think 'why do I believe this thing that I have just posted? I usually go and check and really look at the evidence, why haven't I done that here?' Sometimes the answer is that they use a source that they trust. Other times it is purely because they have listened to heavily invested people declaring that 'such and such evidence is false' and they are guilty of not checking at all.

Either way, it is always useful for us all to keep evaluating the information that is posted and adjusting our thoughts in reflection. But I haven't seen that being done by some posters who seem to be ignoring the glaring flaws in their statements.

Commonsense12 “However, what I do know is many people describe having the same experience of feeling they are in the wrong body, which I would be a fool to boil down to 'mental illness.' I just think it's worth having an open mind about before making any conclusions.”

Why would you be fool to consider this a form of mental illness? It is a reasonable consideration given that other forms of strongly believing your body is wrong are classed as mental illnesses.

It seems to me, from reading psychiatrists on the topic, that trans people have formed a strong identification with the other sex for any number of reasons, to the point of believing that they are somehow actually the other sex, but their body is wrong. Sex is about bodies.

Mental illness is just a descriptive term, it should not carry any pejorative sense, but it sounds like you might think it is something to be ashamed of.

Yes, great post @nutmeg7 👏🏻

The depiction of "lesbian" sex in Sense8 was painful to watch. A 'TW' groaning as they were rogered with a strap-on. A male fantasy of lesbian sex, written and directed by the Wachovia brothers

More mansplaining

There's barely a corner of female experience that hasn't been appropriated by male gaze porn.

Wachowski brothers. Bloody autocorrect.

"There's barely a corner of female experience that hasn't been appropriated by male gaze porn."

There really isn't @Cauliflowery and yet they still wonder why we are so pissed off.

I gave up on Sense 8 the first time because I thought that opening "lesbian" scene ws so ridiculous. I came back to it because of Miguel Angel Silvestre and really enjoyed it, but there were several other things which struck me as odd or ridiculous then, which I now realise are standard stuff. And the MCW's "girl" acting was one of them. The MCW-lesbian relationship was the least erotic partnership and just generally very dully written to make political points. The only time I felt anything other than irritation for the MCW was when the character was kidnapped by his psycho parents and forced to undergo some sort of brain reprogramming nonsense. Apart from that, he mainly just got on my tits. His partner was played by Freema Agyeman - lovely actress but utterly wasted in this. The gay couple, the drug addict couple and the Indian woman-German man couple were all super hot. Anyway, derail over!

Perhaps said poster believes tge ienis vanishing when man pops on swirly skirt and dangly earrings? Most men who identify as a female gender have penis?

Typo fail

The penis vanishes when man pops on swirly skirt and dangly earrings 🙄

I was sorry that fungi never came back, I genuinely wanted to hear what they meant by transwomen do not have a penis.

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Hopefully they’ve gone away to educate themselves so that they will never again make a transphobic statement on an internet forum.

I wouldn't say that was a "transphobic" statement. It was just a puzzling and nonsensical one and I couldn't work out what they meant by it.

It shouldn’t but it does amaze me when people with so little real knowledge pontificate on here amongst many experts.
It makes me laugh at the naivety!
I know a lovely transperson but I haven’t changed my opinion that you cannot change sex.
So many old tropes too
As for encouraging others to be open minded: it may cause the brain to slip out
It is men that women fear- whether in a suit, jeans, frilly dress, sports gear etc
If men identifying as transwomen feel unsafe in men’s loos, it’s for the men to move over and be accepting
Women are not responsible for their safety
Heaven knows we’ve enough to think about

After this many years, it sadly no longer surprises me. I find that some of the biggest defenders of an ideological stance are the least across the information. And they keep repeating misinformation or they are transphobic because they consider trans people to be such a limited definition.

Even when they realise they have been talking cobblers, they try to maintain they have the morally superior position but by that stage, all reading have realised that those posters lack the ability to critically think for themselves. It is why ‘operation let them speak’ works so well.

bless

will a trans woman patient of his get confused or play along when he is asking them is they are they having regular periods, is there a possibility they are pregnant or jump up on the bed abs I shall give you a smear test

I was told by a trainee doctor that some women do not have periods I replied yes I know but it is only woman and girls that have periods he became very red in the face and annoyed as I seemed to know more about periods than he did