Gillian Keegan: I'll stop saying Transwomen are women

[DirtyDuchess]

I unfortunately haven't got a token for this but hopefully someone can share it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/24/gillian-keegan-will-stop-saying-trans-women-are-women/

It is, and will happen again. Repeatedly. It's just a fact of human nature that social shame and ostracism is an extremely powerful tool for silencing dissident opinion. For years I could not express my true opinions on this subject as I would be labelled 'transphobic' and ostracised in my professional life. I can't express my true opinion on the Israel-Gaza war as I will be labelled 'antisemitic'. I 'strategically conform' as you describe it. Such is life.

She's shown herself to either be willing to put her political career over child safeguarding (enough people, including parents, Safe School Alliance and M Cates, told her what was happening) OR too thick to be a Minister.

Either way she should resign.

Thanks for archiving

A quick search on Apple Music produced a lot more results for 'burn the witch' than I would’ve expected. Very popular in metal and folk genres.

I like this one cos the lyrics are rather apt for us FWR vipers:

'Double bubble, toil and trouble
Spoke my mind and I got a muzzle
Uh-oh, uh-oh, I'm in trouble
Now I gotta watch a grown man go and
Burn, burn, burn, burn, burn the witch'

True but this would be electoral suicide and they would never do this in the long term. Look at the example of Brexit. Kier Starmer was a remainer but he will never talk about rejoining the EU even if he wins the election because he knows Brexit is such a contentious issue where he could lose votes very quickly.

I think Labour are sincere, they wanted to be seen as inclusive but with evidence coming out about how damaging this is to our children, they have shifted their position.

The Tories on the other hand, that's a sinking ship that will say anything to get some votes at this point.

I don't think the EU is a good analogy. The main reason no politician will talk about rejoining the EU is because the decision isn't reversible. Imagine the prime minister holding another referendum on the EU, the electorate voting to rejoin, and then the EU saying no.

My fear with Labour and trans stuff is that they think they can ask for forgiveness, not permission. They'll say just enough to reassure women it's OK to vote for them, then they'll do what they want anyway thinking they'll be forgiven.

I think it's a good analogy as the EU are on record as saying they would welcome us back but a British prime minister would be committing electoral suicide if he or she went down that path.

I do understand your scepticism but I think Labour have learnt their lesson the hard way. Five more years of the status quo (under whom all this damage has happened) is too much for me to stomach.

It doesn't matter what any "Brussels bureaucrats" say.

To rejoin we'd need the unanimous approval of all 27 member states. Any one of them could veto us. There would have to be referendums in at least four countries. I'm pretty certain France would vote no.

And the "Brussels bureaucrats" know this. They know there's no chance of us being approved to rejoin so they have nothing to lose by saying we're welcome back any time just to look nice.

The electoral suicide for a UK PM wouldn't be from trying to take us back in. (In any case there would be a referendum on it.) The real electoral suicide would be from giving us the option to rejoin, the electorate voting yes (which I think we would) and then being unable to deliver because other countries said no.

Anyway. That's by the by.

I think trans stuff is more dangerous because so many people still don't have a clue what it all means and think it's about being kind.

Ok, so not the perfect analogy but I stick by it because at this point it's too late to back out. A bit like Brexit. What I mean is a political party going back on it's principles after being elected will mean they end up governing for only one term and neither Labour or the Conservatives want that.

I might be wrong but I genuinely thinks as awkward as Kier Starmer can be at times when he talks, he's a genuine guy who is open to learning when new evidence comes to light and as such he is the better ally for actual women and for our children.

I don’t think Labour are sincere about much what they are is a collection of conflicting political views from Lammy and Butler to Starmer

The obvious believers who will try to push their needs to Starmer who is overall concerned with not losing, and saying whatever not to lose

Isla Bryson helped them stop trumpeting Self ID but at the same time Starmer said ‘you need to take the public with you’

His intention is obviously to avoid challenge, whether he’s still keen on taking people with him who knows, he manages to avoid talking about anything difficult

I might be wrong but I genuinely thinks as awkward as Kier Starmer can be at times when he talks, he's a genuine guy who is open to learning when new evidence comes to light and as such he is the better ally for actual women and for our children.

I'm genuinely wondering what makes you think that. It's not even about being an 'ally'. It's about having the modicum of intelligence and honesty required to say that, actually, 100% of women don’t have a penis. No new evidence needs to come to light for him to know this simple fact. Obviously that goes for politicians of all parties, but I see no evidence that Starmer is any better than the rest on this.

Nobody should have had to have been ‘re-educated’ that women can’t have a penis.

I see no reason to trust either party on this score.

The Conservatives might have made more of the right noises but I've still seen no sign that they're about to follow through on clarifying the meaning of 'sex' in the Equality Act before parliament finishes. That's troubling. And there's every chance of seeing Penny Mordaunt standing as leader after the election (assuming she keeps her seat).

Admittedly I won't be voting Conservative anyway so I watch my own party far more carefully, and what I see so far is a backtrack from full-on self ID that leaves many questions unanswered, plus open support for gender ideology up as far as deputy leader. I understand that that Keir Starmer - this genuine guy who's so open to learning - has yet to speak to either Rosie Duffield or Labour Women's Declaration. And, as for the Tories saying anything to get votes, well it's Starmer who gave them the words to use when he claimed women can have a penis.

Jo Bartosch has written a good piece on Keegan

https://thecritic.co.uk/apologies-are-useless-without-action/

This bit

But before the likes of Keegan blithely skip across the golden bridge back to reality, it is only fair to ask that they face up to the monster they helped to unleash.

Yeah, Gillian I'm thrilled for you, I really am, for joining us on the reality raft. But it's still quite rickety and the steamship Labour that's hoving into view? It's as likely to plough right over us as save us. Coming aboard is quite literally the least you could do.

I kind of think the very least this government owes us is a clarification of the Equality Act before they leave office. You'd also have thought they'd be keen to do so in order to expose and exploit the opposition's reaction.

Hope your right🤞but the Labour women’s meeting under Aneliese Dodds doesn’t really fill me with confidence.

Absolutely

I just want it as a choice at the GE

I mean great if beforehand but at least give us a vote. It’s important

Because it served them well, until it didn’t.

🤞

From the Bartosch article.

“Having been shut out from policy making, and even barred from party conferences, it is not up to gender critical campaigners to push for change from the outside. Now that the grassroots activists and whistleblowers have taken the heat, and the data is out there thanks to Cass, the responsibility to “do something” lies squarely with politicians.”

I wouldn’t be surprised, I fear that we are coming up to the most dangerous time. I think there’s a strong possibility of escalating violence at protests and meetings, and I think that more women could be assaulted and killed in revenge, especially as Dr Cass is a woman. This ideology has provided not just bad men like Isla Bryson and Andrew Scott a handy excuse to access women and a shield to hide behind, but it’s also given very seriously mentally unwell men the same, and that’s terrifying. Even bad men tend to be able to rationalise and have a strong sense of self preservation, I don’t think you could say the same for someone who would have been sent to Broadmoor years ago.

Politically yes it will all be very sly, but out at protests and meetings, on the streets? Too many unhinged loose canons for them to control maybe, look at what happened to KJK in New Zealand and the kettling at the last demonstration in Scotland. Hopefully the idiot police will now start to see which way the winds blowing and rethink their hands off approach to the TRAs.

Yes this! We have to prioritise making sure that all schools, starting with primary education, include basic biology, specifically that humans are a binary species and cannot ever change sex.

Yes, this is my fear as well.