Gillian Keegan: I'll stop saying Transwomen are women

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I unfortunately haven't got a token for this but hopefully someone can share it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/24/gillian-keegan-will-stop-saying-trans-women-are-women/

OK so you have managed to convince yourself.

Whatever you are trying to say, we have reason to believe that1000 member resigned specifically for this reason.

If you want to tell us all the relevant reasons for the 23k have not renewed their membership, please do so. If you want to point out how this is not the expected churn of membership each year, go ahead, but please provide past trends that indicate that this is unusual churn and the reasons for this additional churn.

If you are just trying to dismiss these approximately 1000 resignations without having any counter argument except this whataboutery, that is fine. But people will draw their own conclusions.

What is the source of your 23,000 figure please?
if we accept the Wikipedia estimate for total membership.
"As of August 2024 the BMA had 195,000 members." . Are you saying that around 1 in 8 members leave annually? That is a lot of members leaving.

Are you basing this on the estimated 15,000 to 23,000 doctors leaving the nhs prematurely (before retirement) cited here? https://www.bma.org.uk/attrition-costs
As there is nothing in this statistic to suggest that it was 23,000, rather than 15,000, that these were all BMA members or that all in this group left medicine and hence the BMA (This was about people leaving the nhs). Its more likely to be around 10,000 than 20,000, and likely less. So 1,000 extra doctors leaving is a big deal. I

Note that the BMA estimates on its LinkedIn page that 2/3 of doctors are members of the BMA.

I think people that were captured by the whole trans ideology and wanted to be kind whilst ignoring the real concerns of real women are realising its all rubbish.

The very confused young people, many of whom have mental health issues or/ and autism hate their bodies and providing a change your gender solution was ridiculous rather than exploring why they hate themselves. They will have to deal with the consequences of any changes made for the rest of their lives! Their captured parents may double down on the you can change sex farce. We all know males who say they are female aren't and females they say they are make aren't either.

Finally, some sense is returning to society

It's good to see this thread getting some traction again. I can see that your bump has brought a few people onto it for a read, @YoYoYoYo12345

Finally, some sense is returning to society

It's starting to feel that way, isn't it?

Copying my comment from earlier in the thread....

Sadly I'm not sure we'll look back on 2024 with laughter though, because it will be better remembered as the year that the world woke up to a medical scandal that has irreversibly harmed (tens of, I assume 😢) thousands of children and young people across multiple countries 😢😢😢

As the year comes to an end, there are definitely pockets of sanity where this is really starting to hit home for some people. We're not at "world waking up" stage yet though, clearly.

We're probably still in the denial stage of the grief process on a macro level, where people are still struggling to get their head around the idea that the NHS has been a part of the problem. We're meant to be able to trust our doctors and mental healthcare experts. Mass medical mistakes like Thalidomide and the infected blood issue are supposedly behind us. Medics are supposedly already practising evidence-based healthcare. The blindspot of a belief (that we all have a gender identity) traipsing all over what we already know (that we all have a sex, that some people struggle to understand themselves for multiple known reasons) seems too crazy to be true in 2024. Yet here we are. Hopefully not for much longer.

Totally, its really sad.

Young people ar secondary school locally were encouraged to join lgbt and focus on our school was on trans. One young boy, quite feminine was approached I mean seriously be there but actively approaching feels like implying they might be. Several girls with autism and anxiety are either saying they are boys or neutral. Some recent movement in a couple of girls back to thinking they are girls again. Yet they have always been girls, just body image worries, anxiety and autism so feeling differently to the ridiculous gender suggestion of what a girl is. We real women come on a spectrum but don't include any boys or men.