Is "openly Jewish" a hate crime under the April Fools Scottish hate crime law?

[lechiffre55]

A Metropolitan police officer threatened to arrest a man for being "Openly Jewish" in London. Is this a hate crime in Scotland under the new hate crime laws?

I think it is. Could someone report it for me please I find it incredibly offensive and racist. I want to see what happens when Scottish Police try to get involved with racist actions taken by the Metropolitan Police.

https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1781393179683483960

Jfc wims, a genocide is going on. Is this who you want to be?
There is loads of info on the history and on what's going on atm. Is ignorance going to be your choice?
On genocide? Really?

But, again MikkyMo. Israel as a nation state IS here. Drawn up by the UN after ww2.
Sure, the British, French, Americans and others had their own designs on the area which was put in the mix. But there it is.

USA should be split up into its original nation states. The Sápmi should be a nation state taking chunks out of Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia. Kurdistan should be a nation state (53 million Kurds without a state to call their own).

This would cause immense conflict and bloodshed, even though perhaps it would be morally correct. I am not advocating for any of this necessarily, just drawing comparisons.

Israel exists - going on 74 years now.
Peaceful solutions are necessary.
To attack by stealth, break ceasefire (repeatedly if I’m not mistaken), refuse to exchange the hostages - not great peaceful diplomacy by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm not sure what your saying? Millions of Palestine are also here?
Should we not be advocating for solutions that will suit everyone?

Did you know that when you count up death tolls, more Palestine are killed during times they are not trying to defend themselves compared to times when they are actively trying to fight back?
They tried peaceful restance in the Great March of return, and were shot down in the thousands

I believe a two-state solution was on the table for a long time, but rejected by PLO, and rejected by Hamas.

Now not on the cards anymore.

Israel is currently under attack from Hamas (Gaza), Hezbollah (Libanon) and Iran.

Palestinians are in Gaza, The West Bank, Syria, Libanon and Jordan.
Do Libanon and Syria and Jordan wish to donate a few acres?

I recommend you read the whole thread, there’s a lot of ground already covered regarding the History of the region.

The nabouring countries are not going to enable ethnic cleansing, why should they. Its white colonialism, why do you think they are going to go along with that?

I know the history of the region very well.

Palestinians are in neighboring countries because they were violently ethnically cleansed, so now the rest can go too?
Is that your argument?

You know that's racist right?

I thought Palestinians were in neighbouring countries because many fled there during the 6 day war (1967) expecting that (at the behest or Arab leaders) Israel would be defeated and they would return?

Most fled for their lives during the nakba in 1948.

Apologies. I got muddled up with which war. There’s been so many in such a relatively short time! I meant the Arab-Israeli war of 1948 which was declared on Israel on the day of its inception.

I’ve read accounts from both sides.

The article below seems to give the most comprehensive opposing view and is very interesting.

https://honestreporting.com/the-nakba-narrative-a-history-of-deception/

Do you?
Then why the lack of concern for the Jews ethnically cleansed from the Arab states?
Why talk about 'white colonialism' when so many Israelis are very obviously non-white (all those former Iraqis, Syrians, Egyptians, Ethiopians etc)?
Why lap up antisemitic tropes about the 'Israel lobby'? Weren't you the poster who said it had been grooming GC feminists?

What with @fungipie denying the extent of the Hamas rapes and you coming out with conspiracy theories about wicked international Jewry poisoning the minds of GC feminists, I can see exactly why Gideon Falter felt that there is a lot of antisemitism tucked up in those marches...

Showing us who you are, alright.

Illan Pappe writes from a very particular viewpoint. He is a career politician/ideologue. He used to be a member of Israel's far Left/Communist party. His work reflects that. He supports BDS ( Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions)against Israel, its universities and its academics; along with Omar Barghouti - yet both made their living from, and were given the space to do their work by, Israeli universities. Sort of champagne socialists, if you like.

Neither of these men supports a two state solution. Both want a total end to Israel and a one state 'solution' with a Jewish minority. They seem to think this would work, and would be all nice and liberal and democratic. Neither gives any weight at all to positive narratives of Israel. Israel is essentially and irredeemably bad.

That is pure nonsense. 'Zionists' as you call them, by which you also mean people living on the Kibbutz - that were massacred by Hamas on October 7th -used to have shared farms and factories with 'Palestinians' living in Gaza - before the wall ( after the election of Hamas). They had friendships.

Gazans, though, continued to work on Israeli Kibbutz and elsewhere in Israel right up to the massacre, and it is thought that some of those who knew the kibbutz well - because they had worked there - had been involved in the awful events of that day. People on the West Bank also worked in Israel, making far more money and with better conditions than they would find with Palestinian employers - enabling them to build their own homes etc. Israelis ( or 'Zionists' as you might call them) would drive Gazan children for specialist treatments at hospitals in Tel Aviv. That included some of those people who were murdered and/or taken hostage on October 7th.

We know there is now a radicalised Israeli settler movement on the West Bank - and this is one issue that has to be dealt with if there is ever to be a genuine two state solution - but you know, Israel is a diverse country, and people hold all sorts of different views - including some views you and I might not agree with.........but they don't speak for all Israelis, nor for Zionism.

There is an excellent project called the ' Ask Project' in which average Palestinians and Israelis are interviewed on the street and asked questions about the nature of the conflict/situation in the Middle East, and about their views and hopes for the future - and what is very disheartening to note is that it is overwhelmingly the Palestinians who see no potential, or desire, for a two state solution.

The vast majority deny Israel's right to exist and wish away the existence of Israelis. It is clear from the use of the same repeated phrases - that in school children have been told that all the land "between the river and the sea" belongs to them. This collective denial and refusal to accept any responsibility makes it very difficult to imagine how on earth a long term and workable solution is ever going to be found.

The majority of the Israeli population are Mizrahi or Sephardic - hence not 'white'. There are also almost 200,00 Israelis of Ethiopian origin. Israel is a diverse and multi-cultural society.

Of course it exists- but certainly not in the form created in 1948. Since, it has expanded illegally, in the most violent and cruel of ways- on and on, and on some more. And even now, some are queuing on the Gaza border, ready to take over when this 'war' ends.

1948 territory is one thing, but it never stopped there, did it.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/

@quantumbutterfly @turbonerd @EdithStourton just wanted to clear up some points. Bangladesh was NEVER a religous state. tbh neither is Pakistan (it started off as a democracy but is mainly ruled by the military with puppet 'democratically elected' leaders). Bangladesh was formed as a socialist democracy, it is a mess now because we have what is effectively a (non religous) dictatorship but it is a secular country with a majority Muslim but and a significant Hindu population.
India was formed as a secular democracy. however recently BJP (the ruling party) has derailed that with unhinged religous fundamentalism. although the majority of population are Hindus, there are significant numbers of Muslims and Christians.
the reason for the secetarian violence and subsequent division (Britain's idea) was because the British actively divided and ruled during their colonial history. in areas of Muslim majority, they made Hindus leaders and vice versa. they didn't just do this in SEA but also all over Africa.

historically the Indian subcontinent has had fluid governance with independent regional kings/Lords with brief periods of empire eg. Mughals/the Mayurans etc. not sure how realistic a united modern Indian subcontinent is. it certainly was Gandhi's dream.

Maybe Israel is a less scary target than Russia.

Got it in one.

Do you think that Hamas miscalculated the likely Israeli response to the atrocities of October 7th that brought this war about? Or do you think it was their intention?

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/4/25/israeli-settlers-on-a-rampage

I am not ignoring your question RC- I do not know the answer. They knew Netanyahu was desperate for any excuse to go to war and finally destroy Gaza. And they gave him one. I just do not understand.

Interestingly we hear lost about Jews or Israelis, such as Ilan Pappe who oppose the existence of Israel, but we hear less, if anything at all, about the Muslims or Palestinians that support the existence of Israel. People such Tawfik Hamid or Kasim Hafeez, for example - who both write and speak extensively on the matter.

As with anything, there are always two sides to a story.

And Interestingly there are many Qur'anic scholars who say that the Qur'an regards Palestine as Jewish Land:

"Imam Abdul Hadi Palazzi, leader of Italian Muslim Assembly and a co-founder and a co-chairman of the Islam-Israel Fellowship, quotes the Qur'an to support Judaism's special connection to the Temple Mount. According to Palazzi, "The most authoritative Islamic sources affirm the Temples." He adds that Jerusalem is sacred to Muslims because of its prior holiness to Jews and its standing as home to the biblical prophets and kings David and Solomon, all of whom he says are sacred figures also in Islam. He claims that the Qur'an "expressly recognizes that Jerusalem plays the same role for Jews that Mecca has for Muslims".

When asked what the Qur'an says about the State of Israel, Palazzi replied:

"The Qur'an cannot deal with the State of Israel as we know it today, since that State only came into existence in 1948, i.e. many centuries after the Qur'an itself was revealed. However, the Qur'an specifies that the Land of Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, that God Himself gave that Land to them as heritage and ordered them to live therein. It also announces that – before the end of time – the Jewish people will come from many different countries to retake possession of that heritage of theirs. Whoever denies this actually denies the Qur'an itself. If he is not a scholar, and in good faith believes what other people say about this issue, he is an ignorant Muslim. If, on the contrary, he is informed about what the Qur'an and openly opposes it, he ceases to be a Muslim"

You are refusing to engage your mind with the question because you'd rather cling to your one narrative - that Israel is bad, that Israel wants to kill all the Palestinians etc.

How did you come to this conclusion I wonder, if you refuse to think extensively on the matter?

Could it be you are just reading one sided propaganda from social media sources that don't require you to do any thinking for yourself?

My responses are based on lots of study and reading, and from Jewish friends who have lived in Israel since the 60s. There is lots of evidence that Netanyahu has been planning a final attack for a very long time. Video evidence too.

I am sorry but if anyone has been swallowing one sided propaganda, it is not me.

So if you want to engage- what do you think should happen to all the illegal settlements since 1948?

And what should happen to the Gaza territory after this 'war' ends?

And what should happen to the surviving Palestinians who live there?

I have engaged, as you say- by saying that Hamas knew that Netanyahu was waiting for an excuse- and they gave it him. Massive lies and propaganda followed to make sure the world was even mor shocked, by even more diabolical stories of babies beheaded and burnt alive, and systematic and massive rape- all have been proven to be untrue. What happened on the day was bad and awful enough, we all agree. No-one is denying this, and that rape did probably occur, and that that was diabolical.

Many Israelis, including ex military- cannot understand however how this attack was not stopped. The fence is constantly monitored, and took a long time to cross with heavy machinery., and then there was quite a distance between the fence and the kibbutz. Combined with plenty of intelligence and warnings, and very sophisticated defence artillery. So why was it not stopped. They could have been shot down at the fence, or anywhere on their route to the kibbutz- but they were allowed to cross and to keep going. It is quite unbelievable, truly. And military experts on all agree on this, and re the intelligence received in weeks and days before.

I know what your answer will be in advance, re conspiracies. Will make no difference.