Is "openly Jewish" a hate crime under the April Fools Scottish hate crime law?

[lechiffre55]

A Metropolitan police officer threatened to arrest a man for being "Openly Jewish" in London. Is this a hate crime in Scotland under the new hate crime laws?

I think it is. Could someone report it for me please I find it incredibly offensive and racist. I want to see what happens when Scottish Police try to get involved with racist actions taken by the Metropolitan Police.

https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1781393179683483960

An hour and twenty minutes long? No thanks.

Can't you explain in your own words?

For someone who claims neutraility you certainly seem to have bought into some pretty malefic conspiracy theories and denials...such as denying that the atrocities of October 7th even happened; using words such 'genocide' and so on.

I'm neither Jewish nor Israeli - and yes, I can see the blatant anti semitic undertones and even the outright blatant anti semitic rhetoric that is passing itself off as enlightened and/or informed debate.

I haven't read the full thread so apologies if this has already been mentioned

I'm not Jewish but have been shocked and horrified by the antisemitism that's happening. Regarding the Met Police, and relevant to a thread on the feminist board, I'm concerned about Jewish domestic abuse victims. I have a family member who's been through domestic abuse. I dread to think how difficult it must be for Jewish victims in this current climate. How will they feel safe to report to the police, particularly the Met, after the incident discussed in this thread? I also could be wrong and correct me if I am, but I think that Jewish Women's Aid was the only domestic abuse charity that put out a statement condemning the Hamas terrorist attacks on Israel in October. Despite these being largely directed at women and included mass rapes. As someone who is not Jewish but with family experience of domestic abuse, this upset and horrified me. I don't know what I'd do if I was a Jewish DA victim. I doubt I'd trust the Met Police especially after this latest incident, and I don't know what to think about the domestic abuse charities either.

No, I would be told I am biased and that I don't know what I am talking about.

This debate was in 2019 btw- so way before october 7th. It airs the pov of both sides, in a very informative way- much better than I could ever do. It amazes me that some people have strong views about this 'conflict' - and yet are not prepared to read and listen about the very real issues.

Rebellious cow, did you watch the debate? Or is your mind too closed to even be prepared to listen.

By 'against Zionism', do you mean you don't think Israel should exist?

I'd rather you explained in your own words. People could then debate or discuss your points. I don't have time to sit and watch random videos that people post - certainly not when they are that long. I don't normally post you tube vids, myself - the one I posted earlier is about 4 minutes long and encapsulates the issues with pro Palestinian marchers and disguised anti semitism hiding behind anti zionist rhetoric. It featured a marcher in her own words.

i have taken the trouble to understand the history of the Jews, of Israel and the history of anti semitism because I was sick and tired of utterly one sided views on the conflict. We all tend to know what the anti Israel arguments are because they are well documented and well supported and vocalised and have been for years. What is less documented is the other side of the story.

No one side has total responsibility for anything. -which is how anti Israel arguments tend to get framed - with hyperbolic arguments that lack in awareness of even some of the most obvious historical facts or events.
I'm countering that.

Far too complex for me to do so in my own words. And I am no historian nor specialist. Don't bother to watch this truly informed and balanced debate, very well chaired and with a very mixed audience. There is no was I could present all the points made in the debate in a few words of my own. And you wouldn't trust or believe me either.

Watch or don't watch. But don't accuse me of antisemitism or racism.

@fungipie
There's this thing people do in a debate/discussion where they tell you to go off and read a whole book that explains their point, or read a bunch of reports, or "google it", or "educate yourself", or in this case watch a two hour debate that explains your points. But here's the thing the person telling someone to look to other sources is never able to explain the key points of the books/report/etc.. themselves. To them it all sounds great but they are never able to express those points to another person.
When you're in a debate with someone it's your job to put forwards the points that make your case. Telling them to go off a read a bunch of stuff that agrees with your point doesn't work, because why should they invest all that time and effort? If it's too much trouble for you to draw out the main points and present them, why should they put in much more effort? If you're debating someone and want to change their mind, or prove a point you have to actually do that, you can't put the onus on the other party to do the work for you.
It also always makes me think the other person doesn't really understand their own argument if they can't present the main points. This further demotivates me from putting in all the extra effort if the other person probably doesn't even understand the source they are throwing at me.

If you precised the video you linked by saying, and I'm utterly making this up just as an example, Dr X explains how population Y has geographically migrated through history, and then goes on to explain how their migration affected indigeous peoples of P, Q, and R over time. Then examines the conflicts between them and the fallout of those conflicts on Y and the P, Q, and R which demonstrates ( your point here ).
At least the other person has an idea of what relevance/point you are trying to make. "Watch this two hour video it explains all my points" is just pointless. No one ever sits there for two hours watching a random video if a person can't give reasons for their argument that are backed up in the video. e.g. "at 47 minutes in Dr X discusses the meeting between populations Y and Q, which are the people we are arguing about" Can you see how that works?
Flinging sources at people that require investment to understand does not work unless you can at least precise the arguments presented in the source, thus giving that source context within whatever it is you are debating.
Otherwise it just looks stupid.

The question about the difference between Zionism and antisemitism is a VERY very complicated and multifaceted one. The official debate in the video has 4 experts with huge experience and knowledge. 2 saying that both are the same, and 2 saying that they are very different and not linked (although they can be in some cases). There is NO way this can be resumed in a few sentences. Don't watch of course if you don't want to. And if I gave a summary, you would not trust or believe me.

Far too complex, and far too important, for a non expert like me to summarise, that would be really stupid indeed.

Hi, I don't think Isreal-as an ethno state established by extream violence in a place with a native population not of the favored ethnicity -should exist, no.
Can I ask if you think Arabs are human beings with the same rights as other human beings?

Gods look at this idiot, who has zero clue that Israeli Arabs are 20% of the population with equal rights.
Meanwhile none of these humane anti-zionists have as much of a word of sympathy for the kidnapped and possibly raped French Jewish woman.
Because Jews don't count.

Deflection and namecalling, is that what's used as arguments round here?

What a out the other 80% of Arabs who are forced to live in a concentration camps?
Palestinians don't count?

Yes, I think Arabs are human beings with the same rights as everyone else. My heart breaks for every civilian caught in this godawful war.

Where do you propose Jews should go, if they aren't to live in Israel?

Jews should have every right to live in Palistine, as equal citizens with the native population.

Do you know that Jews are native population?

I also think Jews have the right to live in their own native countries without racism or discrimination too.

How exactly?

How exactly is someone genetically European, who's family have lived in Europe or America since forever is native to the Middle East?

Mikky, you need to go and read a bit of history. If you really are presenting this as an argument.

So no response then?

Ok 👍

I think you are trolling, but I will take it seriously.

There is no ethnicity know as European. Nations, but not ethnicities.
Next, there is cultural heritage predating islamic in the region that is systematically destroyed. There is literally only a wall left in Jerusalem.

Btw. The name of the city - Jerusalem is frequently used in religious texts (I won't be getting into debate about judaism as it is complicated). Try to find Jerusalem mentioned in Quran.

Do you feel the same about the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand or just Israel?

Why are there not marches for the US to be given back to its natives?

Native population is subjective. Arabs in the West Bank must surely be Jordanians and in Gaza, Egyptians by that reasoning? After all they were their territories.

You need to fact check history (and your spelling) as to where the extreme violence came from.

It's sad you think I'm trolling, echo chamber much.
There is no such as European ethnicity? Nonsense.
To argue that you ancestors (highly disputed that European Jews actually have historic Middle Eastern ancestory) lived in a certain place thousands of years ago, therefore you have the right to ethnically cleanse and murder the current population is an insult to arguments.

If the other countries were currently enacting their colunlism, then yes, I would be shouting and screaming about it. Wouldn't you?