The TRA banging thr symbol in the horses face

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How can anyone watch this and yet still side with trans rights?
Do people think this behaviour is justified, because GC women wanting to protect their rights are evil incarnate?

Why is this behaviour not peaking the world?

And why do so many otherwise sane individuals think its OK to refer to a rapist as she and house him in a women's prison?

I've just had enough of it all.

He seems to have a tripod. He feed was very steady. In the Channel nine footage his phone is clearly knocked off that tripod, this is shown in the extended footage posted by Gaspode. That extended footage also shows that his phone was on a tripod as he lifted it up high once they started to follow and scream at him.

Interesting thank you.

You'd have to ask a 🐎. Chances are though it would say nay! (It would be lying though)

Arf

Here we go.

Just for anyone else who wishes to claim that 'both sides' are just as bad. And that a man totally unconnected to the women being violent (regardless of the provacation) is in any way representative of 'the women's side'. This is from the Auditors Australia YouTube channel.

Photography is not a crime.
Our Government need to be held accountable. Our Police need to be educated and transparent.
When you start losing your FREEDOMS because of feelings. That's not the "She'll be right Mate"and "A fair go" Australia was Proud to Be.

These are freedom of speech people who may share the final outcomes that feminists wish for, but they are not motivated by exactly the same motivations. They have a different motivation.

Maybe we need this reminder.

For readers unsure of terminology:

The term ‘GC’ of course is a shortened version of ‘Gender Critical’, which is shortening of ‘Gender Critical feminist’. Gender critical feminist was the original term and referred to the feminist theory that rejected gender stereotypes. Meaning that those feminists rejected the stereotypes being used by trans people to define their identities. Feminists seek to abolish the gender stereotypes embraced by people who believe that people can change sex.

It is a universal belief that people cannot change sex. The vast majority of the world’s population don’t believe people can change sex. So therefore people across a wide spectrum of political views share that opinion based on scientific evidence.

Some people who are considered far right wing also share the belief that people cannot change sex. It is not a controversial thing to believe. No chopping of cocks will change a person’s sex. Those groups also tend to embrace gender stereotypes.

However, to falsely align feminists with people who may have very different motivations to them yet want outcome that look similar when described at top level description only, extreme activists have dropped the ‘feminist’ from
the term ‘gender critical feminist’:

This is how ‘gender critical‘ is dishonestly misused. To falsely bolster discussions about political alignment.

Those other groups who also believe that sex cannot be changed, yet embrace gender stereotypes are falsely labelled ‘gender critical’. They are not. But by falsely labelling the different groups this way, by force teaming feminists with far right groups, extreme trans activists and lazy people who simply repeat what those activists say, portray feminists as allies of the far right.

This is done to discredit feminists and to portray them as hateful towards trans people. This is false.

Thank you @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g for the clip and @Helleofabore for explanations. That last bit of the auditors recording where he is being followed across the street by a breakaway mob and then appears to be on the ground surrounded by them, explains how the second part of the clip I linked to happens. (From watching the UK auditor recording when that happened I assume that that extended clip is from his bodycam. Its quite sinister to have people come after you to stop you filming and they are masked and clearly intent on stopping you.

Yes, but they see colours differently. A lot don’t like white or yellow, in my experience.

They see things differently to us in general: https://creaturescorner.com/horses/understanding-how-vision-works-in-a-horse/

They are kind of like shin pads but not quite. The ones the horse is wearing are brushing boots and the strike pad is on the inside rather than the front. They’re designed to stop the horse knocking themselves on the inside of their legs. They are padded all the way round though, it’s far better to have to throw away a torn boot than have a vets bill for stitches if your horse catches themselves on something.

On the TRA thing, it says it all about what sort of people they are that they don’t care about upsetting an animal or risking one getting hurt if it became scared and bolted (much as police horses are trained not to do that, they’re not machines). Absolute cunts.

No. Police horses have a huge amount of training. Horses are prey animals and to override the flee response takes serious training and a certain temperament. They all have the odd mad five minutes though.

What a vile thing to try to do that to a horse. Takes a certain kind of twatishness to try and frighten an animal.

I find newly painted lines on the road can be interesting and tend to get a hard stare.

Yes this. Horses rest one foot like this when they are about to fall asleep. (or indeed are asleep... or enormously bored). Which made me laugh.

They're not though, are they?

Many right wing people might well believe, like lots of people including feminists, that humans can't change sex.

But I doubt they want to do away with gender stereotypes, like feminists do?

In fact, like the TRA view, the traditional right wing view is that gender stereotypes are very important.

deadwildroses.com/2019/10/07/handy-venn-diagrams-the-radical-feminist-position-on-gender/

So you're 100% AOK with them being rude to you?

As @Froodwithatowel said, I try to be polite to everyone, even people I disagree with. I find it much more productive and it makes for a pleasanter society.

Yeah that horse looks completely chill. TRA could wear himself out banging his cymbal all day. Horse will doze dreaming of what it will have for tea when it gets home.

Wish I could be as chill in the face of such intimidation, be as the horse… 🐴

What are your thoughts on far right groups attending GC feminist protests?

Would you like to clarify why you posted that link earlier in the thread?

Would you also then explain what far right groups you are talking about who 'attend' feminist protests?

Not warm or deep enough as I've heard on mumsnet. (Sorry - cannot remember who said it , but if if it allows us owners to reclaim the word I'm for it).

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/19/daniel-andrews-says-nazis-arent-welcome-as-victorian-government-considers-further-action-following-salutes

What do you think the appeal is for them? I don’t for one second believe they have women’s rights in mind.

i recall Turning Point UK co-opting a few anti drag protests last year too.

So, in 2023 some of us went through and analysed the footage of this. Again, I would suggest that before you plop down articles that you feel highlights something relevant to the thread, that you do some research.

We KNOW that the neo nazi group were not there to support women's rights. They even admitted it themselves that they disagreed with the women. They were there to antagonise the groups who were protesting the women's rally. They spent the majority of their time down the end of the street with ANTIFA and the Victoria Socialist party supporters. I am very happy to go back and find the timings that we gathered about that event and how little time they spent anywhere near the women.

By the way. Even when they were near the women, they were not at all interested in what the women were doing or saying. They were fully facing the trans rights activists and antagonising them. Directly. They even unfurled a banner directly infront of those trans rights activists.

But please, feel free to tell us all about how the neo-nazis were in any way connected with the women's rights campaigners.

Because all you seem to have is some sort of guilt by association claim and that is based on no evidence except that some people were in the same area as someone else. That is partly why three women are taking the leader of the Victorian opposition to court, each separately, for his comments and actions about that same group of neo nazis.

And while you are at it, maybe tell us why the fuck the police let those neo-nazis into the area? Because no one has explained why or how the police did this except that one of the group has a father in the Victorian Police force based in Melbourne.

Can you please tell us which GC feminist groups were at the same drag protests (or any actually) with the group you mention? Please be specific.

My, I want to post that popcorn eating meme round about now but must restrain myself.

Why do you think they are attracted to the events? Is it because they know there’s normally counter protest and its an opportunity to cause trouble?

I would say it's exactly that. People with concerns about gender ideology can come from any point on the political spectrum. People who like getting into fights, ditto. Yobs of all kinds flock to protests like flies to a turd.

Can you please also explain how women can lawfully prevent any one from attending an open air event that is not ticketed and is advertised as being open to the public and that any female person who wishes to speak can speak? Either in the UK or Australia or the USA?

Would you like to explain how this can be done? Considering that most people who come to just listen don't have any intention of causing harm and are just there to listen.

Would you also then like to explain why people who don't agree with people speaking either fully or partially, but who are not interrupting in any way would be unwelcome or excluded from such an event anyway? There seems to be this very unreal belief that someone going and listening to women speak must support those women's opinions.

There seems to be some overly simplistic thinking behind associating a person or even multiple people attending a women's rights rally as being only ever 'aligned' with those women.

Gosh.... imagine attending an event where you disagreed in part or fully with the speakers just to hear what they said. So that you could make your own judgement on what they say, or you know, get a greater depth of understanding about that group, what they believe and what their aims are .... Blimey.

What part of 'they wanted to antagonise the groups protesting' did you miss from my long post?

Or should I just say 'sure'. is that how it works?

Should I then declare that you haven't asked appropriately?