Labour Losing women

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Despite all the recent WPATH revelations and everythign else we now know Angela Eagle has just tweeted that the next Labour government will:

• Legislate for a trans-inclusive conversion therapy ban
• Make anti-LGBT+ hate crime an aggravated offence *Modernise Gender Recognition processes
• Appoint an international LGBT+ envoy

https://twitter.com/angelaeagle/status/1765795128407388651

It's not an either/or, though, is it. Labour have said they will pretty much stick to Tory spending plans, so there's no bonanza for the NHS around the corner. However, it seems a racing certainty that Labour will get in, whether posters here like it or not. So the best that can be done is to hold them accountable. FWIW I don't think the Tories are taking the line they are on gender cos they think it will win them votes, after all, most posters seem to concede that the issue won't drastically affect voting patterns for the GBP as a whole anyway.

I really believe this is the way forward and hope there are more come forward for this election.

@canttellyouwhereorwhatido I feel really let down by Labour on this issue.

I have never voted Tory in my life.

But I can't vote Labour whilst they are hellbent on removing women's rights and putting children on, what they must know, are harmful pathways.

They have collectively lost their minds on identity politics.

It is up to Labour to make themselves vote worthy on these issues. If women don't hold them to account then we are agreeing that these things don't matter.

I can't do that.

I care too much about vulnerable women.

My child isn't in the same position as @Lantyslee 's DC but she is autistic and is vulnerable to this ideology too.

Our children deserve so much better. Labour is going to make counselling them unlawful ffs, they call it 'conversion therapy'.

So if you are going to vote Labour which is your choice that is fine, but please don't lecture other women on our choices.

For me this is too important. Labour could earn our votes but instead they persist with this harmful ideology.

I agree and will be looking to vote independent if at all possible - if not I shall spoil with one of Posie's stickers (again). I cannot vote for the shit show that is either the Labour or Tory parties at the moment. I could not have that on my conscience tbh.

I don’t think a Labour landslide is a foregone conclusion, I really don’t. Labour need a significant swing back and although they have made some gains in the wall that formally identified as red,, there is still a huge amount to be done. Labour is associated still with Corbyn. Reform are also thought to be polling favourably, and Labour need to ask why that it is.
Personally I think they’re all a bunch of self-interest bunch of lobby snakes. If I don’t spoil my ballet it will be the SDP.

Lantyslee all best wishes for you and your child and family.

I agree with what you say,
”That the Labour front bench can come out with this utter crap in the week the WPATH leaks have emerged demonstrates they're either extraordinarily stupid or totally morally bankrupt.”

@canttellyouwhereorwhatido I'm very sorry to hear about your parents but my 21 year old DC has a perfect healthy body. Labour support an ideology that tells them the way to deal with the problems in their head is destroy their perfect healthy body (which I grew in my own female body). This is backed up by the NHS which isn't fit for purpose - not because the Tories haven't put enough money into it - but because they put ideology before evidence based medicine.

When I plead with my DC not to take hormones, their reponse is "it must be the right thing because it says so on the NHS website". The fuckers that perpetuate this nonsense have blood on their hands. I have spent hundreds of pounds I can't afford on paying for therapy for them from a non-affirming hugely experienced therapist (a Tavistock whistleblower) who's practice could be outlawed by the fucking idiots in the Labour party.

Its negligent verging on criminal and, if you think there's any other issue anywhere close to this in importance for the thousands of families whose lives are collapsing due to this scandalous shitshow, you're completely mistaken. I subscribe to the substack Parents with Inconvenient Truths about Trans and every single day there's a new essay published by a parent who is watching their child and family disintegrate in this cesspit. It's heartbreaking and I don't need you or anyone else to tell me that this isn't the most important issue because it really is.

Make an argument then...

I think Labour's attitude to gender is disasterous for women. Particularly vulnerable women in refuges, rape support centres, care homes, hospital wards and prisons. It also bad news for the children in care who have been over-represented in the accelerated, affirmation treaments paths for gender issues.

If you're middle class, and Labour is the party of the middle class now, then you can probably say I'm alright Jack and vote Labour. Pat yourself on the back for being a good person without considering the appaulling affect on women a Labour government will be.

If you think the Labour Party will be better for women I would like to hear how. The specifics please. I have voted Labour many times in the past and will no doubt do so again. I am open to changing my mind not least because the Tories have been pretty usless and need a turn in oppostion. The trouble is if you cannot accept the biological definition of a woman you cannot protect women. And then there is all the other identity politics divisive stuff and the antsemitism.

The problem with this country is too many people treat politics like a football team. My dad always voted Labour, never Tories, I can't think for myself, etc etc. And when pressed they say empty things like:

"People supporting Labour are woman haters?
Eh?"

AND

"Any woman who believes that the Tories are on their side is deluded. They’re desperate and saying what they need to, to whoever will fall for it. "

Without any actual facts or argument. Then they say things like, "well I can't help you".

Well you can help by explaining. Explain how a party that will not define women biologically and in the face of all the WPATH evidence this week still wants to persue unthinkingly the same policies they had last year on conversion therapy and transition, can possibly be of use to the women it can define??

Explain why you think Kemi Badenoch or Jackie Doyle Price or Nick Fletcher or Miriam Cates or Liz Truss are faking their interest in women's rights to safe spaces. Because hand on heart I have seen no evidence of that whatever else you might think of them.

I have read this though - about how many of Angela Eagle's donors are deeply connected to gender ideology campaigns. https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2023/06/22/angela-eagle-mp/

Heart-breaking to read, Lantysee. You, and parents like you, shouldn't have to fighting the NHS; they should be on your side! The Labour Party cannot be unaware of what is happening here. But they are in thrall to this twisted ideology. So fuck 'em.

@duc748 I discourage my DC from visiting the GP if they're ill in case they mention gender dysphoria and get referred to an NHS gender clinic.

When we tried to organise an anti-depressants prescription, the NHS "psychiatrist" who assessed my DC criticised the exploratory therapist who believes it's important to address DC's anxiety and depression before affirming their gender identity. This is the NHS we're supposed to be so proud of, that we should be pouring money into. It's completely fucked.

Jeez, that is so shitty.

I’ve personally felt until today that I would hold my nose and still vote Labour despite their inability to respond to women’s concerns. I’ve voted for the Party all through my life and genuinely want the next Govt to be Labour and still do.
But seriously they are now taking the piss, I’ve discovered today that this young man has been selected as our candidate in the upcoming general election.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/witney-labour-labour-party-house-of-commons-oxford-b2509509.html

No doubt he is probably a nice person, but how can a 22 year old neurodiverse trans woman with a troubled upbringing not be too personally vulnerable to contest the election in a blue wall constituency in rural Oxfordshire. What on earth are they thinking, and how can they think my vote will go to someone so unsuited and inexperienced to represent his constituency. What about their duty of care to candidates?

What on earth are they thinking, and how can they think my vote will go to someone so unsuited and inexperienced to represent his constituency. What about their duty of care to candidates?.
See, I've seen this said about Kier Mather too, who is 25 I think?
That he's too young, too inexperienced, what does he know etc ...
I also think there's some truth in what this Witney candidate is saying, as in that there's a broad spectrum of people, individuals, who are all human and everyone should get a chance of feeling like they are represented.

I notice from the autobiography in the screenshot, that Georgia ( transwoman) is a ‘care leaver’, therefore one of those whose childhood means they are disproportionately likely to feel they must be transgender perhaps as a way of trying to leave their past difficulties behind.

It is too bad the Labour Party has no intention of helping people like Georgie do anything other than harm themselves with hormones and genital mutilations. Indeed they would actively ban anyone really trying to help Georgia as being guilty of committing the crime of ‘conversion therapy’.

I understand what you are saying, and if we had a different electoral system such as proportional representation it's a fair point. But he is in a system where he is there to represent his constituency not just the trans community, and it’s unlikely he will be willing to listen to the concerns of this elderly woman about women’s rights being eroded. In the article he talks about representing the trans community with no reference to the constituency he has been nominated to represent.

I do wonder how many new Labour candidates have been selected who have openly expressed a desire to put the brakes on some of the more concerning aspects of gender ideology?

My biggest concern is although this seat has historically been a safe Tory seat, with the recent boundary changes, and the current state of polls there was a real potential to oust the Tories at the GE. I personally think that’s now unlikely to be Labour, although maybe the Liberal Democrats now will pick up more disgruntled Labour voters.

I do wonder how many new Labour candidates have been selected who have openly expressed a desire to put the brakes on some of the more concerning aspects of gender ideology?

I'm sure I can't guess what kind of Venn diagram you are visualising there! 😀

Georgia is also autistic, another group of young people who are much more likely to identify as Trans. I’m very concerned that he is likely to be pretty vulnerable.

But he is in a system where he is there to represent his constituency not just the trans community, and it’s unlikely he will be willing to listen to the concerns of this elderly woman about women’s rights being eroded. In the article he talks about representing the trans community with no reference to the constituency he has been nominated to represent
But.... women are all different though. We don't all have the same opinions, as we're individuals with our own minds
Just because a candidate might be representing the trans community, doesn't mean that automatically all women don't want to know.
Someone who speaks for you as a woman might not necessarily speak for me.

He is trans, autistic, only left care three years ago, has apparently been a town counsellor for less than a year, and is twenty-two years old. He doesn't appear to have experience of politics in the wider world.

It's great if a young person wants to get into national politics but putting someone with this level of life experience and, as has been said, this potential level of vulnerability, up for election to represent a constituency of 70,000 voters with the country in the state it's in is really irresponsible. What on earth were Witney Labour Party thinking?

I’d say very unlikely

The candidate below is more likeky

This is going to be tough for any women who care about sex based rights. The make up for Labour will reflect an easy win, and gender views

Looking at the selection it reinforces the lack of funding or economic difference, this is going to be played out in identity politics first

The Labour we get won’t be the same as last time - it’ll be more aligned with the proposed candidate

A cynic might say Labour have chosen someone with virtually no chance of winning to stand in a safe blue seat as a token sop to trans activists.

this. Witney was David Cameron’s old seat. I don’t think it’s ever been Labour. Georgia has as much chance of winning as flying in the air

I do wonder how many new Labour candidates have been selected who have openly expressed a desire to put the brakes on some of the more concerning aspects of gender ideology?
This is one of the factors I've been weighing up. I'm guessing that, in order to get selected, any candidates will have had to either toe the constituency line or, at best, keep quiet. If they've been keeping quiet I can't see them suddenly finding their voice in Parliament with a party whip breathing down their neck.

I've heard it more optimistic Labour supporters suggest that GC MPs are quietly gaining the upper hand in the party but, even if they're correct at the moment, I can imagine that balance being overturned by a big new intake.

Exactly. Its a way of giving younger members election experience without an expectation they will win.

They are two years older than the GRA

We’ll see what the legislation has created as gender ideology enters politics even more

Not sure what the moderation is doing these days so easier just to not get deleted for whatever reason

Plus it’s less about the individual than what we’re seeing reflected back due to a socially changing law