Labour Losing women

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Despite all the recent WPATH revelations and everythign else we now know Angela Eagle has just tweeted that the next Labour government will:

• Legislate for a trans-inclusive conversion therapy ban
• Make anti-LGBT+ hate crime an aggravated offence *Modernise Gender Recognition processes
• Appoint an international LGBT+ envoy

https://twitter.com/angelaeagle/status/1765795128407388651

I agree, I was more concerned by them parachuting in someone inexperienced to what should have been a winnable seat in Sheffield in the last election.
Nothing wrong with giving opportunities to young people who are showing promise and I don’t know enough about this person to judge if they are talented and trans or only trans.

I view any people this young and inexperienced as largely unsuitable for politics tbh. If we invoke age as a mitigating factor for those under 25 when it comes to criminal responsibility then perhaps we should consider similar for holding office.

Yeah I think earning your spurs by standing in an unwinnable seat is fairly standard practice. It's the ones who are expected to win that I'll be watching.

All will be fine ;

Although look at ‘block terfs’ MP and the arrest mners one

I think they are ready to squash stuff tbh

The incoherency of this does need unpicking.

Can have mutilating and sterilising medical treatment.... but no tattoos. Is not criminally responsible until mid twenties, but should have the vote.

The joining factor is always some politician or activists' political convenience, not anything to do with the young person.

I can't find a reliable medical source that I can trust to quote from - that WPATH situation has made me even more wary about things medical. However the widely cited view that key parts of the human brain connected to assessing risk and making rational decisions do not mature until about the age of 25 would be a very useful benchmark in working out what is sensible at what age, be they standing for parliament or consenting to surgery or drug taking that will permanently alter your body if you are wanting to medically 'transition'.

I think that is a very salient point about the benchmark age which can’t be stressed enough, @SoupDragonsFriend . Thanks for pointing it out.

"The brain finishes developing and maturing in the mid-to-late 20s. The part of the brain behind the forehead, called the prefrontal cortex, is one of the last parts to mature. This area is responsible for skills like planning, prioritizing, and making good decisions."
National Institute of Mental Health USA
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-teen-brain-7-things-to-know#:~:text=Although%20the%20brain%20stops%20growing,the%20last%20parts%20to%20mature.

I'm another who is politically homeless and am hoping for a suitable independent, including a Party of Women one.

I don't know if there is an official website that is listing all prospective candidates but I've been keeping an eye on the Wikipedia page: 'Candidates in the next United Kingdom general election' over the last few months. The page seems to be being kept up to date with a single list for the whole of the UK as candidates are being announced, including independents, so it might be a useful starting place for anyone looking to see what is happening in their area. (Obviously Wikipedia isn't a reliable source but it might be a start.)

Did I just read on an FWR board that potholes are more important than women's rights?

Some people can't tell a woman from a hole in the ground.

Much rather argue, campaign and demonstrate on this issue with a Labour government than this lot who will tell you whatever you want to hear in order to stay in power

Good fucking luck with that.

Labour are also telling people what they want to hear. That's the exact nature of politics. In the end it comes down to what you can't look past.

Yeah I've already had my own labour candidate go red in the face and talk over me, interrupting the woman with him who I was having a conversation with.

His none apology was very reminiscent the the Russel Moyle one, almost word for word, saying he gets quite passionate about these things (but don't worry he's got a daughter and wouldn't let anything bad happen to her). I don't know if he'd cribbed the apology on purpose to add insult to injury or whether they're just cut from the same cloth but either way he's lost my vote and that of my husband, mother etc....

God yes yes and yes again.

Nailed it.

Much rather argue, campaign and demonstrate on this issue with a Labour government

Yep good luck. You know what you’re getting, see how much you can change it after they have mandate

The time to argue with Labour is now, before they fix their manifesto promises in the run up to a general election.

Exactly. Why on earth surrender the only bargaining chip you've got - your vote - before you have to?

(Although I fear their manifesto is probably already at the printers)

Labour are also telling people what they want to hear. That's the exact nature of politics. In the end it comes down to what you can't look past.

Reading some threads especially on NHS and schools I think it worse people aren't listening or paying attention to what Labour is actually saying but assuming or hoping they'll do what they did in last government -despite very different demographics and economics - or what they want and god forbid you mention Wales - even if you live there like I do.

I've voted Labour in the past but I don't think they can count on my vote next time - doesn't mean I'm voting Tory.

I do think we'll end up with a Labour government but I think it's how big their majority is - a smaller one and more MP with marginal seats and I think chances of them listening to criticism about polices that affect 51-52% of the population will be higher. So I'm not going to be finger wagged at about my vote.

The trouble is though that there is zero accountability for a manifesto. It'll say whatever sounds good, it's marketing patter. The stuff that will scare the horses won't go on it, and whatever sops are thrown won't have to be adhered to. It's not like we live in a time of integrity, political values, a sense of public service or even basic rationality in our political figures.

Ignore the words, watch the actions. Over the past 5 years.

More litter bins would be nice too.

Reading some threads especially on NHS and schools I think it worse people aren't listening or paying attention to what Labour is actually sayingbut assuming or hoping they'll do what they did in last government -despite very different demographics and economics - or what they want and god forbid you mention Wales - even if you live there like I do

Yes there is a blind tribalism about these posters. They are in for a massive shock imo but it will be far too late by then.

I do suspect due to this that should Labour get in, they will quickly find themselves with a very angry electorate.

I agree there's some blind tribalism but I do think others are just desperately hopeful and unwilling to face where we are because politicians aren't having those big conversations with electorate - and when they do try like Theresa May during her election campaign and social care funding it doesn't go well.

I do agree when they are in managing expectations will be a massive issue for them - which they'll mostly deal with by blaming Tory's (both apt and standard for all governments) and hope that and disarray in opposition parties gets them a second term.

I'm not convinced labour will win and if they do win i agree people are going to be very disappointed that its not a spending spree with lots of improvements. Its a rearranging deck chairs on the titanic situation in my mind.
Who is going to talk about managed decline.