Labour Losing women

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Despite all the recent WPATH revelations and everythign else we now know Angela Eagle has just tweeted that the next Labour government will:

• Legislate for a trans-inclusive conversion therapy ban
• Make anti-LGBT+ hate crime an aggravated offence *Modernise Gender Recognition processes
• Appoint an international LGBT+ envoy

https://twitter.com/angelaeagle/status/1765795128407388651

Aye. Women are uniquely dismissable. Its almost like people think our views count for less because we're female....

It's a puzzler for sure.

It's just like in the 70s. Huge overlap between certain feminists and the natural childbirth crew who insisted on a very narrow and restrictive vision of motherhood and family life. No formula, no caesareans, no pain relief, and no time for yourself because the baby must be attached to you 24/7.

I think you two are having a different conversation from everyone else.

I also think that surrogacy should be regulated, but that it's a woman's choice,

Ooh don't mention the choice word on here, it's usually frowned upon.
We're to do as we're told, or we don't know any better. Bless our hearts

Truly, Gail. I'd have imagined the most right-wing freemarket uber capitalist thing in the world would be to advocate the selling of women's bodies. Maybe the left wing position is we should do it for free, I suppose. For the good of the party. For the men, not the femme.

I've had two sections. And mixed fed. What the FUCK do you know about the choices mothers have to make? Or the tolls it takes on us? Absolutely fuck all, that's clear.

Did someone really just explain to us how breast pumping works? On a parenting website?

To be fair, I was totally clueless about the physical toll of giving birth, or how long the after effects can continue. Hell I didn't even realise you bled afterwards. So I guess I shouldn't be too hard on the gob smacking ignorance on display here. It's not exactly doing much to persuade me back to voting Labour though.

I wasn't talking about you personally. And I'd love to know how you know I haven't given birth. Womanly intuition?

Well, have you?

Neither of you are remotely right, so much so that I cannot believe you're posting in good faith.

A bottle of formula can be a life-saver for a breastfeeding mother who needs a break. This is NOT AT ALL the same thing as giving a man drugs to induce some sort of discharge, failing to do anything like proper testing, and then feeding it to a baby.

This is not in the baby's interests, and it is not regressive to say so.

I had medicalised births by necessity. I worked full time from early on. I breastfed because I read the literature and concluded it would be best if I could, and I was lucky enough to be able to although it was bloody hard at times.

None of that is the Puritan bullshit you're ascribing to me. Or I suspect anyone else on this thread.

I've no desire to persuade anyone to vote Labour. I'm a very reluctant supporter of the current Labour Party and their victory is a foregone conclusion, so I don't see the point in trying to persuade anyone. A Labour government is coming, and with it I suspect some positive changes for the rights of transgender people. That's the reality.

<coffcoff>splaining.

I have. Given birth that is. More than once.
Am I allowed an opinion?

In a lesbian couple, where only one is the biological mother, is the other lesser I'm some way?

In a certain way yes, in other ways no. Both mothers will be the parent, both will have the bond with the child, but only one will be the mother, will have carried and nurtured the child in a way the other won't have and nothing can undo that. I am also not sure if lesser is the right word, multi faceted maybe? That extra dimension you are denying exists but 99,9% of mothers who gave birth will say is there, as will the children in question.

I always wonder why people are so adamant to deny this exists, when there is so much research to show it does. Usually these people have ulterior motives, like being adoptive mother, mother through surrogacy, men.

That's a no, then.

Have you given birth to a child who now identifies as trans by any chance?

😂
Lol, no.
Neither of them are trans.

I completely agree with you and come at this from the perspective of an adopted person.

That's interesting because it often explains mothers who turn a blind eye to the harms done to trans identifying children.

I don't know any women who have all the facts in front of them who agree with Labour's approach on this but each to their own and all that.

It may be “lived experience “ but it’s not the right sort so can safely be ignored.

Well, only one of them will just have given birth after 9 months of pregnancy so while there is no lesser, they have hugely different needs.

But that doesn't mean that one should go back to work while the other stays home alone, or that one should spend more time caring for the baby.

Okay,you don't like 'secretions'.

How about 'effluent from moobs'?

Will Labour be promising a free owl for every household like they did in 2014? I know that it was a joke but helped me to vote Labour in 2015.