Labour Losing women

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Despite all the recent WPATH revelations and everythign else we now know Angela Eagle has just tweeted that the next Labour government will:

• Legislate for a trans-inclusive conversion therapy ban
• Make anti-LGBT+ hate crime an aggravated offence *Modernise Gender Recognition processes
• Appoint an international LGBT+ envoy

https://twitter.com/angelaeagle/status/1765795128407388651

If it wasn’t for the gender ideology stuff which I think is almost impossible to reverse, and I don’t want to do that to dd, I’d say try out Labour so people can stop fantasising about a 90s type flash back and see the reality

I do think we'll end up with a Labour government but I think it's how big their majority is - a smaller one and more MP with marginal seats and I think chances of them listening to criticism about polices that affect 51-52% of the population will be higher. So I'm not going to be finger wagged at about my vote.
I guess there are 3 possibilities to weigh up:
A huge majority - they won't have to listen to anyone.
A much smaller majority than they're expecting - small enough to give them the fright of their lives.
No overall majority, leaving them having to cobble together a deal with other centre left parties and Starmer waiting for a knife in the back from Angela Rayner.

At the moment, I think the first scenario is a bit of an unknown - the last time they won a big majority the country was in a very different state and the political mood far more optimistic than it is now. I'd find the second scenario the most palatable of the 3. But the third possibility is the one I dread the most and one that might persuade me to vote Labour.

This is why I won't be deciding my vote until much nearer the time, although I'm now checking out the alternatives.

Also worth considering priming up the opposition. We've barely had one through the last government, but there's a number of issues on which a decent opposition could hold a ruling government strongly to account.

TBH i don't think Labour is going to win outright. Even from the non-GC lens they are not seen as serious candidates. Too polarised internally and the stench of Corbyn is still there.

My bigger concern (from a GC point of view) is that they will form a coalition with the Lib dems and/or the Greens.

And I repeat what I said upthead. The state of politicians and political parties of all stripes right now. They are a disgrace. They shame this great country and all of us.

I sincerely wish they would cop the fuck onto themselves.

My bigger concern (from a GC point of view) is that they will form a coalition with the Lib dems and/or the Greens.
Same.

A nightmare frankly. If they change the law to women's disfavour we will never get those rights back.

My bigger concern (from a GC point of view) is that they will form a coalition with the Lib dems and/or the Greens.

Greens have one MP - and given our UK parliament is first past the post system I personally don't see that changing - so don't see a coalition there happening.

Lib dems I do agree are a concern - however third biggest current party is SNP - how they'll fare next general election is uncertain.

There are in current parliament more independents MP 19 than Lib dems -15 seats and while they hope to do better who know how that will pan out as there last coalition gov screwed them electorally for years I wonder who keen they'd actually be.

I do remember the small number of DUP MP propping up John Majors government and the disproportionate influence they manged - so it is a concern.

Another concern is that their hands are going to be tied in terms of what they can do economically, so they'll be looking for some easy wins that won't cost any serious money..

<shifty eyes>

Look, potholes are very important!

I know of a Conservative councillor in a Labour controlled place who personally mends those potholes he can.

I filled out a MN survey about voting intentions. There was a list of issues to put in order. There was no box for you to type in other issues. No box for women's rights. I can't be the only voter who will decide what to do with my vote with women's rights as my top priority. I don't see what the point of surveys like that is. They can't be giving an accurate picture.

The points up thread about brain development in young people are very important. A lot of people assume we need to focus on protecting under 18s from gender ideology but young men are most likely to identify as transgender between 17 and 25. The parents in my support group have mainly got DC in that age group.

Although the Cass review is very welcome, we need to apply the findings to over 18s too. There's no magic switch ensuring vulnerable young people make rational and considered decisions the moment they become legally adult.

I imagine the Angela Eagle announcement was partly a trail, to see how it goes down (with Eagle’s name on it, not the senior cabinet).

I think Labour will win with a large majority. Unfortunately changes based on GI will be cheap (in money terms, until the medical bills roll in) and there’s nothing in the piggy bank, so they will be attractive to a new government. On the other hand, I also think the problems with GI which have been industriously hushed up are becoming increasingly clear to the electorate and it will be difficult to pretend as a politician that you were unaware of them. I am hoping no election until November by which time more GI scandals will have received a press airing and the populace will be bored with its drag queen craze. I don’t think Starmer is a true believer. When he sees the growing problems hopefully it will put the brakes on the worst changes he might make. Hopefully. What a.state of affairs.

Yes, I thought the same.

Very limited as to what you were permitted to mind about and prioritise. And then they wonder why the poll results are such a poor predictor of actual results. It's almost like curated reality and actual reality don't jive.

I also thought the MN questionnaire didnt really show what you thought on an issue. For example if you picked immigration it indicate if you were anti immigration or wanting to double immigration. Just that it was an issue important to you.

ArabellaScott · Today 10:56

FKAT · Today 10:42

+ + Did I just read on an FWR board that potholes are more important than women's rights? + +

Some people can't tell a woman from a hole in the ground.

It's tempting to laugh, but it's so true.

Yes and there are posters who repeatedly quote these crappy surveys to back up the 'fact' that nobody is really that interested in this issue. It's just bullshit.

Adding that in the Angela Raynor interview in the Graun weekend magazine today, where she’s absolutely clear that trans women are women. End of. So we can see where that particular wind is blowing.

At the same time, I’ve never voted Tory, but wondered only to see this Penny Mordant for PM being bloody resurrected. So women are not safe with any political party… except the communist party? Now, there’s a thought…

I just can't see the Penny Mordant thing going anywhere. It was a total dud, almost embarrassing, last time. I think either she is trying to see which way the wind blows, or someone has brought it up to scare off some voters.

Was she the 'Asamum' woman, or was that someone else?

Think that might have been Andrea Leadsom. Mordaunt has no children.

I'd say Raynor is a useful idiot for the TRA cause (don't forget her revolting, sycophantic simpering that she'd save a place on the green benches for 'Lily' fucking Madigan) but these days I suspect that's only half right. Long may her tax woes continue. She's a danger to women.

Anneliese Dodds thinks Labour can somehow introduce self ID, create a special class of men who have had full SRS surgery and protect single sex spaces.

At least two of their solutions are not lawful. It is not lawful to insist men must have SRS and it will not be lawful to remove the spousal veto from the GRA.

https://twitter.com/okaybiology/status/1771851608009085389

So condescending “It’s a rather technical area”.

Don’t bother to think about it, just be reassured and vote for us.

They are all over the place. It seems to have started with bekind and they came up with a policy position based on TWAW, then began to realise it’s more complicated than that but can’t back down so try to obfuscate with the 0.1% it’s too complicated for you mortals.