Labour Losing women

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Despite all the recent WPATH revelations and everythign else we now know Angela Eagle has just tweeted that the next Labour government will:

• Legislate for a trans-inclusive conversion therapy ban
• Make anti-LGBT+ hate crime an aggravated offence *Modernise Gender Recognition processes
• Appoint an international LGBT+ envoy

https://twitter.com/angelaeagle/status/1765795128407388651

Well yes, but isnt the costing normally in the manifesto which is normally published about 3 weeks before the election.

I specifically said that this issue was the exception.

I'm voting Labour.

I give up. You've contradicted your own post.

Not sure but based on current policies I wouldn’t say funding is there.

The ‘fully costed’ claim died a bit of a death when they touted major green policy at 2023 conference with that line. Clearly it wasn’t the case and u turned this year.

Maybe they’ll add more funding policies. My view has always been around EU opportunity for a bump but they seem terrified of mentioning it sadly

There is nothing special or mystical about biological motherhood that makes it more important than other forms of parenthood. Fathers and non biological mothers (adoptive or in same sex relationships) are equally important, and should be treated equally.

As has been pointed out, a woman who has given birth has very different needs to the other parent and it's optimal for a breastfeeding child to be in proximity to its mother. My need and my baby's was to not be separated as part of the mother-baby dyad. Both our needs were completely complimentary to the other. It was never my need vs the baby's. My husband didn't have the same needs as me and my baby didn't need him in the same way. Now with teenagers he's absolutely pivotal to their well-being but when they were smaller the best support he gave was to support me in mothering our baby.

Read my actual post. I said said no one was optimistic except for on this issue.

It's a really simple concept.

It is a very common trope told in the patriarchy that motherhood, being pregnant, giving birth, is 'nothing special', Coralfox, but I disagree

There is nothing special or mystical about biological motherhood that makes it more important than other forms of parenthood. Fathers and non biological mothers (adoptive or in same sex relationships) are equally important, and should be treated equally.

Your statement diminishes the experience, impact and effect being a biological mother has on both mother and child. True patriarchy and fits neatly into the left wing ideas that bonds, birth and biology are not important.

Fatherhood and adoptive mothers are not equal to being the biological mother. That doesn't mean they aren't important or good, but it doesn't compare to being the biological mother. Maternity leave is not parental leave and is not just for raising the child the first months/year.

Think about: would you really say that if a mother loses a child in the last weeks of pregnancy or during birth, they shouldn't have maternity leave? Or that a mother who gives their child up for adoption or surrogacy, should be back working within a day? But adoptive parents and fathers should have the right to a year off?

Adoptive parents should have leave for the benefit of the child. Fathers should receive leave for the benefit of their bond with their child. But mothers should come first as they need recovery on top of bonding with their child.

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+ + wont lie and then try to cover it up like with PPE + +

They ALL lie. Don't kid yourself that Starmer won't

Blair, Blunkett, Straw, Becket, Hoon... 100% honest* over Iraq, for example.

*Humpty Dumpty honest.

If you can't see it I'm not going to point it out. The End.

I would love there to be a discussion of how much VAWG costs society as much as discussion of what a policy to reduce said violence would cost. I think Labour should lead with that. In fact this is an area I would love the next government to have a cross party group tackle.

What a great post.

I mean this board exists due to the GRA and a poor law based on a falsehood and twenty years later we’re seeing the growing impact on women and children

Well there's one easy step in the right direction for reducing VAWG: simply ensure males have no access to women's single-sex spaces. Surely everyone could agree on that?

Oh....

I don't believe that birth or biology matter, when it comes to family, love or human relationships.

Of course women who give birth but will not be raising the baby need time off, but no one would seriously suggest it should be a year. Whereas of course mothers and fathers, biological or not, who are embarking on parenthood, should have a year. Plenty of countries manage this.

You lost me at dyad. I'm sorry but I just find this post very sexist, and I don't know any women who would agree about the needs being complimentary. Most women want to share the care and very much feel that the baby's needs are often in opposition to their own. This sounds like attachment parenting dogma to me.

@MrsOvertonsWindow hi I took Starmer meaning class to be honest . Offering equal access to working class young people to sports. Maybe I am wrong? I felt he didn't mention working class because it's a bit Corbyny and he is desperate to remove himself from the Bearded Grandad.

I don't believe that birth or biology matter, when it comes to family, love or human relationships.

We will agree to disagree then. I believe birth matters a lot, hence why so many adopted children seek out their biological mothers and often also fathers. Why biological mothers grieve for their children in a very different way to anyone else. Why children continue to love horrible parents. Why parents still love horrible children. Why we have a saying that blood runs thicker than water.

I also know that biology matters a lot and a truly progressive society nurtures those differences and provides support for those biological differences, instead of trying to ram everyone into a world where the default is male. Where motherhood is seen and acknowledged and mothers are provided with additional protections and opportunities to accommodate that, on top of the additional measures for the benefit of children.

But I do understand why you vote labour: your ideas fit in very well with theirs, where women and mothers are just seen as resources.

Oh, Fox. These are things that are quite hard to understand if you haven't experienced them. I know that callow attitude; we've all probably been a bit guilty when younger of thinking that we know better than those who went before us, our daft old mums and silly older women just don't understand what's good and right and true, or we did it wrong, or we had fuddy duddy old ideas and if only we'd been more enlightened ...

It's just not possible to explain to someone who hasn't been there. Utterly impossible. Carrying a child and giving birth is so life changing, on every level - emotionally, hormonally, physically, materially, psychologically - that one just cannot conceive of how it is if one hasn't experienced it.

Oh yes. Only a mother can understand. That old chestnut. Patronising and insulting beyond belief to so many women (and men.) I've never even actually stated that I'm not a mother.

It had nothing to do with seeing women as resources. In a lesbian couple, where only one is the biological mother, is the other lesser I'm some way?

I'd be willing to bet quite a lot of money you're not a mother, Fox. How is it insulting to say that only mothers understand motherhood?

Well well well, a couple of weeks ago we had a regular poster claiming that this wasn't Labour's position because the only source seemed to be an interview with Keir Starmer in Diva.

They are really going to lose votes over this.

Bet India Willoughby will live to regret not reporting JKR to the police after Labour makes correctly sexing men a crime, rather than now whilst we still retain a modicum of sanity over these issues.

And the trans inclusive 'conversion therapy ban will line the pockets of WPath members. If anyone wants to see how dodgy trans healthcare is who isn't already aware this thread is a good starting point - https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5021764-wpath-leaks?page=1

I cannot vote for Labour if they are going to go down this route.

Men are not women, even if they really really want to be.

Children and vulnerable adults should be protected from harmful medical pathways by being given appropriate talking therapy (which is what Labour wants to ban when it talks about banning trans conversion therapy).

It's insulting to all the non biological mothers out there, all the adoptive, foster and step mothers. And it's insulting to fathers too.

I'm not insulted.