Labour Losing women

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Despite all the recent WPATH revelations and everythign else we now know Angela Eagle has just tweeted that the next Labour government will:

• Legislate for a trans-inclusive conversion therapy ban
• Make anti-LGBT+ hate crime an aggravated offence *Modernise Gender Recognition processes
• Appoint an international LGBT+ envoy

https://twitter.com/angelaeagle/status/1765795128407388651

Any claim on VAWG, education or NHS has to be qualified with how it will be paid for

Why should I? I haven't said I'm voting for them. It's you and a few others who seem to think anyone not pledging in blood to vote Labour is automatically for THE TORIES. You don't even know where I live and what my choices are!

It's a Labour thread. The floor is yours. Evidence is required, though.

Just listened to Starmer being interviewed at a She Can Play football event. Standing in front of a banner stating She Can Play he stated :

"..... the lionesses made us proud.... but success must be measured not in trophies in cabinets "but in sports for girls and young people becoming equal access".

Even on IWD the man can't bring himself to talk about women's sport without wedging in people & inclusion. It's a feature, not a bug.

Because they don't have mental capacity to assume anything else.

Actually I wouldn't put it past Labour to have that as a strategy. Labour are very keen on the poorest and most marginalised women and children being cannon fodder for male misogynists (grooming gangs, care homes, Leeds 'managed' zones etc).

"Let's halve domestic violence for nice ladies who went to university and read the Guardian. But put all the rapists and thugs in with yucky convicts who are probably asking for it anyway."

Apparently a capacity to deal with reality. And not desire to criminalise anyone who fails to pretend the selected fantasy on command.

I mean, if we're going to imagine away sex, let's just identify as poverty not existing and make it a hate crime to mention it. And VAWG - well no, that doesn't happen and you can be arrested for mentioning or reporting it and oh look! It's vanished! The police have no reports! It's gone! Yay 😊<Insert chorus of shiny happy people>

I certainly don't think women should be back in the workplace as soon as possible. I think women and men should both have generous and flexible parental leave, on full pay, to organise their family life as they wish. Other countries seem to manage this.

I also think we need to tackle the cost of living so that families can afford for one parent to stay home, or both parents to work part-time, during the early years, if that is their preference. I do not believe that children going into full time childcare from an early age should be the default. Don't tell me what my views are.

There is nothing special or mystical about biological motherhood that makes it more important than other forms of parenthood. Fathers and non biological mothers (adoptive or in same sex relationships) are equally important, and should be treated equally.

I mean, if we're going to imagine away sex, let's just identify as poverty not existing and make it a hate crime to mention it. And VAWG - well no, that doesn't happen and you can be arrested for mentioning or reporting it and oh look! It's vanished! The police have no reports! It's gone! Yay 😊<Insert chorus of shiny happy people>

With monorails.

Labour positives

• not the tories

Fuck me.

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Takes me back to arguing with toddlers

wont lie and then try to cover it up like with PPE

Won't lie about what? Huge if true.

Tories positives

• not Labour

I'm getting a sense of deja vu...

Define what a woman is - on its own terms, without reference to any other party (i.e. men)

Define what a Labour positive is - on its own terms, without reference to any other party (i.e. THE TORIES)

And flying cars

And robot dog walkers

At least it's dislodged the Benny Hill theme tune.

It does seem, every time these threads appear, that those touting Labour are younger &/or less experienced & so starry-eyed & gullible (or trying to emotionally blackmail everyone into being so), while the rest of us who've been around the block a few times in terms of living under governments formed by Labour, Tory & coalition parties are leaning back with our arms folded, looking on cynically. We've seen it before. We've heard it before. We don't trust any of them to any great extent. We're trying to work out what's really going on & what's likely to happen in the future, based on our experience of what's happened in the past. We're weighing everything up.

It's grim. But I'd rather make the effort than pretend one party or the other is perfect & anybody who doesn't agree with me is just horrible & nasty & they probably smell.

Like the 2004 GRA when Labour set up a huge lie in law ?

They boast about it to this day

it’s one of many positives if you read a little bit lower.
also - I know that not everyone will vote Labour. I’m following an ABC route personally
you’re all against Labour so why not list the positives of other parties that stand a chance of being part of the government cabinet?

Once more for those reading along...

We are not "all against Labour".
They (and their supporters) just need to make a robust case to earn our vote.

I haven't read a single post here that is starry eyed about Labour. Not one. Lots of people who think they will be less bad than the Tories, but not one person who is particularly enthusiastic about voting for them, outside of supporting what Angela Eagle (not in the ShadCab) said.

You don't find that starry-eyed, @ForCoralFox?

I'm also wary when someone says 'oh, you needn't worry about what [Labour MP] says, they aren't/won't be anything important in the party/government'.

ForCoralFox · Yesterday 22:13

Balhammom · Yesterday 22:04

These proposals sound thoroughly sensible to me. Looking forward to voting Labour.
Me too! At last some actual clarity. Although I hope this is soon backed up by the front bench.

I'd say these two posts are pretty enthusiastic about the whole thing

Labour positives

No1 : not the tories

Dear bloody me.

wont lie and then try to cover it up like with PPE

They ALL lie. Don't kid yourself that Starmer won't

Humpty Dumpty strikes again:
“When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”

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