Why are women so complacent re. trans nonsense?

[JazbayGrapes]

I mean, outside GC or radfem circles, i have heard some of the most outrageous things, coming not from the loony left, but seeming well-meaning, semi-conservative women. Like "What is your problem? Can't you just #BeKind?"

1. Re. sports: "A lesson in inclusion and acceptance for a girl is much more valuable than any trophy. Or maybe your daughter should train harder."

2. Re. prisons: "That's easy - don't break the law and you'll have nothing to worry about."

3. Re. homeless shelters: "Imagine being so ungrateful for a roof over your head that you would complaint about trans."

4)Re. public toilets/showers/changing rooms: "If you are such a prude to undress in front of male genitalia, them maybe you should stay home and never go to gyms or swimming pools or etc."

I'm a a loss...

‘The loony left’??

Probably for most non-white women because they're so used to being a minority

Thanks.

Do you take action on everything single thing that concerns you?

I dont have capacity.

It doesnt mean i dont care or think its right. It just means im a human with a limit of time and resources. So i have to be 'complacent' about some things and leave others to lead on those issues.

@SallyWD I believe you that those transwomen you mention probably did not have ulterior motives but they showed a disregard for women's needs if they used women's facilities so they are a part of the problem. My OH would never hurt a woman so shall we let him into women's spaces? is it OK for men to self select as not a danger?

Any woman with children faces those children being taught they can pick a gender that will require medication and surgery and may entail sterilisation.

I think we need to have an appropriately broad understanding of the harm that TW can do. I'm really struggling with menopause but feel unable to use the support groups because TW are welcomed there if they self identify as experiencing menopause (and some do). That's harm.

FFS.

I was just highlighting the impact on your particular area of expertise so that if you need too, you can push back. You may not need to, hopefully you won’t but just in case

And even if there were studies proving distinct male and female brain categories, I still wouldn’t think that reduces the difference between old-money female and TW to negligible. Male socialisation and puberty spring to mind as being factors that would prevent that.

That’s before you even get into the concepts of self-ID and non-binary identities. They mean holding onto the idea that there is proof out there that puts TWs into the female camp is largely irrelevant.

It’s an absolute luxury belief for people to feel warm, fuzzy, ‘right on’ not like those awful middle aged women over there ‘allied with the far right’.
In my life it’s people who have not actually seen the reality of it or even if they have, it has no effect on them whatsoever so they get to feel all righteous. But at some point they are going to have to look behind the curtain and acknowledge what is actually going on. Or they will all just go very quiet on this issue and move on to something else.

The landscape has changed completely from what it was 20 plus years ago. Back then we were asked to treat transwomen as if they were a woman. We all knew that was not true, but it was a small act of kindness to use their correct name and pronouns. It is now being demanded that we believe that transwomen are literally women. The definition of a woman is under attack and the fall out and ramifications of that are being swept under the carpet under the banner of 'be kind'. Understanding that sex isn't an attitude, a feeling, a performance, a costume, or body parts repurposed or purchased à la carte and that it can't be changed doesn't make a person hateful, just sane and tethered to reality. Onnce we accept transgender ideology, the “logic” pushes it down a path where we have to reject child safeguarding, evidence-based medicine, biological reality, women’s rights, and LGB rights, in order to remain consistent.

Sorry, but no.

I coach down my local sports club, it's hard enough to attract girls into sports and even harder to retain them. I see how hard these young women train, busting their guts to compete at local, regional and national level and it is infuriating to see many sports governing bodies allow men, with all their physical advantages, to compete against them. Just fuck off.

I have, yes.

Maybe because both ends of the spectrum are so extreme?

There are too many bigots and those who just hate the idea of trans people that they kinda ruin the opportunity for any sort of reasonable debate. The post yesterday about a trans woman on a game show was ludicrous. That’s why I think many people are frightened of having any sort of opinion on self ID etc because they don’t want to be lumped in with the bigots. It’s why both ends of the argument are dominated by extremists.

I also remember the pregnancy Facebook group used by a male trans person to role play a fake pregnancy and stillbirth. A woman who had actually had a stillborn baby objected to this and was kicked out.

And it was other women fawning over the creepy male and his galaxy sized sense of entitlement, as it so often is.

Aah. I see. Thank you. Yes likely to come up in the future.

I thought you were telling me off! Bad night sleep last night.

No worries 😊 we’re all juggling a million things. Hopefully you’ll sleep better tonight 👍

I wish there was more of a welcome middle ground

Well maybe if 'no debate' was not the official non negotiating position from the start from TRAs the climate might have been different and said middle ground would have been achievable.

The amount of abuse that Brodie's Trust receive comes to mind too.

That all sound perfectly reasonable.

My focus is on having laws and regulations that balance rights so that everyone is protected and respected. As you note it can be hard to balance these.

Which bigots are these? Are you talking about on here?

Someone say primogeniture?

The balance of power only ever goes in one direction, doesn't it.

Forgot link: https://www.tatler.com/article/trans-toffs

Me too but it’s not only about individual experiences - it’s about being expected to believe a lie about biological reality ie that someone’s ‘gender identity’ is as important or more important that biological reality. Being called ‘people who menstruate’ etc is just insulting . I have experienced this.
A societal change where the definition of womanhood is based on stereotypes is completely reductionist and very bad for one.
it’s not about your lovely old school transsexual friend anymore.
And I haven’t even started on giving children and young people puberty/cross sex hormones when they are far too young to make these irreversible decisions about their bodies.

*bad for women

Naivety/fear of being ostracized or cancelled.

However, people have other things going on in their life and might not give much of a fuck. They may be more bothered about cost of living, keeping a roof over their head, climate crisis, state of the health service, global wars. The trans nonsense is not an obsession for everyone.