Why are women so complacent re. trans nonsense?

[JazbayGrapes]

I mean, outside GC or radfem circles, i have heard some of the most outrageous things, coming not from the loony left, but seeming well-meaning, semi-conservative women. Like "What is your problem? Can't you just #BeKind?"

1. Re. sports: "A lesson in inclusion and acceptance for a girl is much more valuable than any trophy. Or maybe your daughter should train harder."

2. Re. prisons: "That's easy - don't break the law and you'll have nothing to worry about."

3. Re. homeless shelters: "Imagine being so ungrateful for a roof over your head that you would complaint about trans."

4)Re. public toilets/showers/changing rooms: "If you are such a prude to undress in front of male genitalia, them maybe you should stay home and never go to gyms or swimming pools or etc."

I'm a a loss...

@pointbreak77

these are not two opposing statements.

the question below mine was a query on the hypothetical situation.

however, I can now see, if that was your interpretation of the intent of the second post, then you will be likely getting yourself in a muddle more generally about the nature of generalities vs specifics. But that’s a you thing. Not an us thing.

Really? Because I have offered my voice in support of all of the above but again I have been called homophobic for having a trans partner. A closet lesbian.

So tell me why I am at odds with people on here?

I am in agreement with women only spaces. And yet, somehow I am mocked and my partner mocked despite being on your "side" so to speak.

If trans people are allowed to exist then why would anyone attack my stance? The only difference between me and others on here is my partner is trans, and I believe being trans is real.

You tell me why having a trans partner means I'm singled out and my relationship attacked if trans people are fine by women on here?

A lot of women are not over invested in the issue. I'm not. The things that are mentioned on this board are not in my experience and i can't get worked up about. I have trans friends, they're nice people and not typical what I see mentioned in this board

There is a lot of hysteria which I feel detracts from some real issues (same. Sex changing rooms etc) and turns a lot of women off genuine discussion and they either become defensive or disengaged

People can't change sex. The people you refer to as 'transwomen' are men who claim that they want to be women. They are not any sort of woman. They are not female.

It's not that we want so-called transpeople to disappear, but the male ones should disappear from female-only spaces.

Women can be predators, men, even children.

Yes, but men are far more likely than women to be predators. In the UK men commit over 90% of violent crimes and over 98% of sexual crimes. Check the ONS site if you want evidence. So-called 'transwomen' are male, and commit crimes at the same rate as other men.

Being trans is one part of a person. Not the whole person.

I thought it would be clear by now that it's not being trans which makes so-called 'transwomen' a problem in women-only spaces, it's the fact that they are male.

There are lots of people with different views on this board. I'm certainly not going to try and speak for someone else. And you can't really take one person's post as speaking for everyone else on here, either. 'women on here' includes you.

You were doing quite well until you slipped that 'hysteria' in, Maddy.

A question for anyone who believes transwomen belong in female single-sex spaces - would other males be excluded, and if so, why?

The only difference between me and others on here is my partner is trans, and I believe being trans is real.

You and your partner have the right to live your lives as you wish. But what do you mean by 'being trans is real'? Do you believe that some people are literally born in the wrong body?

And there it is. The closing down of any other view. ...

The question in the OP was why do more women not participate.

You're right not all women on here, but it's easy to see why being spoken to like that often in here would detract many women.

I don't see other women disagreeing with them? No one seems overly concerned with their view points? I've had one women defend me on here which was lovely.

As I said before, my voice and the voice of my trans partner is typically mocked in here because of course trans isn't real and he's just a woman playing pretend.

That's fine if people believe that buts it's unfortunate because there would be more voices on here if people were less reactive.

I mean in the sense that the person who was trying to learn more about the issue will not want to come back and engage further if they are lambasted and called names for asking questions or questioning the prevailing narrative.

I imagine the conversation had moved on from this since the last time I checked this thread so going back to catch up now.

I'm haven't commented because frankly, staying silent seemed the polite option. But OK....I believe that your partner is trans. I think you should refer to your partnership in the way you want.But if you're expecting people on here to agree that your partner is literally male, I'm sorry, but that's not going to happen.I'm not mocking and I'm not stating that your comments aren't valid on this board. But I don't agree with compelled beliefs/speech.

The question in the OP was why do more women not participate.

I don't think it was asking why women don't participate on this board. I read it as asking why women are happy to support the loss of women's rights. There's a whole big world out there, and to be honest, women on here are relatively polite and accommodating!

They might be polite to you @ArabellaScott but that's not everyone's experience.

I believe gender dysphoria is a real mental illness. I don't know if people are born in their wrong bodies. I know that's how they feel?

I believe transitioning is typically the treatment with the best outcomes for trans people.

That's really all I can say for certain.

I don't believe my partner is "literally male", so I certainly wouldn't expect others to either?

But if rather than focus on the issues of single sex spaces and protecting women, people would rather focus on making sure I understand that my partner is a biological woman that seems pointless.

Yes, he is a biological woman who is taking testosterone and presents like a man. I am not in denial.

I'm not likely though to feel comfortable in these discussions if everything I say even when I'm in agreement with most of you centers around my partners vagina?

I don't believe my partner is "literally male", so I certainly wouldn't expect others to either?

Cool. There's a been a surprising amount of posters visiting over the past few years who have been insistent that they have literally changed sex and that we're horrific bigots for pointing out that discussions about single sex services becomes difficult and somewhat clouded when their presence in said service makes it ipso facto a mixed sex service.

No trans person I've ever come across in real life has even told me they've literally changed sex. They have all just been normal people trying to get on with their life.

But I have been clear all along about my beliefs so assuming people read beyond me having a trans partner they will know this about me already.

I've never seen anyone post that on here either.

@Josette77 You said in a previous comment yesterday that you didn't want to think about what would happen if your partner ever needed to be strip searched by police. Well the reason it matters to me to acknowledge that transmen are female is because I do think and care about this. I really worry about the vulnerability of women who have changed their legal sex to male. It's not being unkind to point out that, what I would call 'gender ideology ', not only allows males to enter women's spaces but also encourages women to give up their sex based rights when they identify as men.

I do not wish bad luck on anyone but if a transman ever needed us, we would be the people standing up for her right to female care - whatever the sex marker on her documents. I very much doubt it would be transwomen who would be bothered.

@Josette77 I just wanted to add a post to support you. People have made huge assumptions about you and your beliefs based on the fact your partner is trans and you've responded calmly and articulately throughout.

Aside from numerous times on here, I can think of several activists in Scotland and at least one famous person who claim that exactly. I mean, you may not have seen it but I certainly have.

Oh my gosh this made me cry. 💖 Thank you so much for saying this. You made my whole day. xx

i believe that your partner is trans. I think you should refer to your partnership in the way you want..

this

and like the PP I don’t believe compelled speech is a good thing in a well functioning society.

I also don’t believe Jesus Christ is my lord and saviour. Im happy you have a faith. Im happy for you if it makes you happy.

But there are consequences for trying to override reality. And they are not good especially if we make laws based on that belief. So as Long as people don’t try to force me to pretend I believe the same as they do then We can all get along just fine.

(edited for clarity)