Why are women so complacent re. trans nonsense?

[JazbayGrapes]

I mean, outside GC or radfem circles, i have heard some of the most outrageous things, coming not from the loony left, but seeming well-meaning, semi-conservative women. Like "What is your problem? Can't you just #BeKind?"

1. Re. sports: "A lesson in inclusion and acceptance for a girl is much more valuable than any trophy. Or maybe your daughter should train harder."

2. Re. prisons: "That's easy - don't break the law and you'll have nothing to worry about."

3. Re. homeless shelters: "Imagine being so ungrateful for a roof over your head that you would complaint about trans."

4)Re. public toilets/showers/changing rooms: "If you are such a prude to undress in front of male genitalia, them maybe you should stay home and never go to gyms or swimming pools or etc."

I'm a a loss...

I don't message on here very often but I read a lot of the threads and I've seen the fetish pervert narrative frequently and it's uncalled for and harmful. There are small pockets of harmful people across all sections of society but I do think when trans women in particular are being described on here these types of blanket sweeping statements are more common than they should be and often it's presented to look like a much bigger demographic of the trans population than it really is.

It's a sort of pretence of belief for most adults. What is most worrying is children who are being taught that one can pick and choose and change sex. How the hell anyone proposes to explain reproduction or avoid teen pregnancies when the kids are being taught fact free bollocks about gender identity, I do not know.

I’ve literally seen it? I’ve seen several posts this week that have said as much.
It’s frankly bizarre of you to try and tell me I didn’t see this?

And do you have access to stats on that? The studies I've seen suggests AGPs are a larger cohort than HSTSs by a huge order of magnitude.

@ArabellaScott I've seen posts on here essentially saying that trans women are all getting off on mascarading as women and its all a sexual fetish which is what makes them harmful and dangerous and that trans women say that themselves. I've reported comments like that repeatedly. I would call that type of comment a blanket lie.

Would you? Based on what?

It's not a view I hold myself, but I know there is evidence that could be said points to exactly that conclusion.

Oh I'm familiar with the stats, as I've said I do read onto this and I'm not uninformed. But my issue is with those who would present that as evidence that the entire trans female population is harmful and dangerous which is untrue.

I would also say that many of the stats that do exist don't fully represent the other issues that can affect trans people. Such as trans women being over represented in sex work, finding it harder to report domestic abuse in their relationships, more likely to access stable accommodation and especially crisis accommodation. All of those types of issues inevitably lead to a rise in criminal convictions. But that's an aside and a debate all of its own. My point is simply that that doesn't make it alright to represent the entire trans female population as predators and fetishists based on the statistics.

Exactly. Even if someone is has a PHD, if they genuinely believe that humans, a dimorphic species, can somehow magically change from one sex to another or if they co-opt DSD's in order to argue the false premise that sex is a spectrum, I am 100% going to question their critical thinking skills.

Well, in practical terms, the issue is that nobody can tell a harmless transwoman from a dangerous one, isn't it? So it's a moot point.

(And of course someone being vulnerable and in need of help and support themself doesn't necessarily equate to them being harmless.)

When you say 'trans female', are you talking about male people?

But my issue is with those who would present that as evidence that the entire trans female population is harmful and dangerous which is untrue.

i don’t think I’ve ever seen the assertion that all are predators on here. And I’ve lurked a loooong time.

the frequently made points are that there is no way to tell who is nice and who is a predator by looking.

AND there is undeniably a higher rate of predatory offending in TW prison populations vs those males in prison who don’t claim a special identity.

which is the cause, and which is the effect is anyone’s guess.

but in the meantime I’m not going to cheerfully collude in the dismantling of safeguarding Just to appease a few. if the nice, kind trans population care about this distinction, maybe they need to help gatekeep. And not just shout at the pesky women who point out the problem.

My point is simply that that doesn't make it alright to represent the entire trans female population as predators and fetishists based on the statistics.

Just coming back to this, Lavender. Can you clarify for me - do you mean that it wouldn't be alright to represent this population as predators and fetishists even if the stats demonstrated that as being true?

We know that statistically men are far far more likely to commit sexual assault and to have fetishes, to be voyeurs and flashers than women. This is one of the main reasons why we have single sex spaces.

As long as men are being allowed to say they are women and enter women's single sex spaces, we are forced to highlight the reasons they should not be there.

It should be enough to say that we have the right to spaces without men, but apparently it is not. Sadly, even when the worst male behaviour is pointed out some women STILL insist on saying 'it's not all transwomen '. Yes, we know. We know it's not all men.

So let's just acknowledge that women have the right to exclude all men from single sex spaces, no matter how nice they are and no matter how they identify and then we'll stop banging on about the worst examples of men's sexual behaviour.

Read the comment below yours.

And of course, there's the men who suffer from Sudden Onset Prison Gender Disorder -

archive.ph/2022.10.04-232359/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-of-scottish-trans-prisoners-changed-gender-after-convictions-pftqbbhg6

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/anger-trans-inmates-revert-males-25840252

But we're not meant to point out the obvious issues with self id.

There are stats that conclude all Transwomen are sexual predators?

Because it's exhausting and potentially dangerous. You are bullied and coerced. I was engaging on the topic recently and the attacks you get are quite something. And in real life it's even worse because arguing person to person is more challenging, and there is the chance of being labelled as transphobic and being harassed for it, having your employer contacted.

No.

Blanchard's work referred to evidence on sexual fetish in what would now be called transwomen.

It's contested research. I'm not arguing in support of it. I'm asking if the poster is aware of other research/data/evidence.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180619/

I can't follow the thought process of someone who simplifies being trans down to this.

I don't believe a man can become a woman, but I believe Transwomen are Transwomen.

But how does your statement help resolve these issues?

Again, it appears women on here want trans people to disappear which will never happen.

I guess I'm wondering how people see this improving? Do trans people have to no longer exist in order for people to feel safe?

No you can't tell a predator from a non predator based on anything other than they are a predator.

Women can be predators, men, even children.

Labeling groups of people never solves anything.

Some people believe black children in hoodies are dangerous and shoot them.

We could look at Israel and Gaza even in terms of people treated as terrorists because they live in Gaza.

Reducing any group of people down to one characteristic never ends well.

Being trans is one part of a person. Not the whole person.

I genuinely can’t follow the thought process of anyone who thinks a man can become a woman anymore more than I can follow the thought process of someone who thinks the Earth is flat

Me neither.

Even if every single transwoman was absolutely safe to be around vulnerable women, allowing them into female single-sex spaces is still dangerous -

Predatory men who are not trans would (and do) take advantage. I believe the stats indicate there are more male sexual offenders in the population than transwomen - so a “transwoman” entering a female single-sex space is statistically more likely to be a sex offender than not……

That is in no way a comment on transwomen, just on the impossibility of distinguishing them from bad actors.

Again, it appears women on here want trans people to disappear which will never happen.

But how have you come to this conclusion? It's just not true.

Nobody wants trans people to 'disappear'. We just don't want males in women's spaces. And we want children treated with evidence based healthcare and taught scientific fact.

Women can be predators, men, even children.

98-99% of predators are male. However said males identify.

I don't believe a man can become a woman, but I believe Transwomen are Transwomen.

What does that even mean? You are saying you think they are a type of woman? How?

Labeling groups of people never solves anything.

We have to label groups of people all the time so that society can function. In order to provide services, for example, we need to know how many people of each sex in certain age groups there are. How many obese people. How many smokers. How many disabled people. etc