Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 8

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21😇
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language - This witness did not give evidence.

Witness for JP:

SE - Professor Sarah Earle, Head of the HWSRA

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Thread 6
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4921308-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-6

Thread 7
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4922765-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-7

Been lurking and following but now the cheese talk has really confirmed I've found my people.

I do that too if I'm too hungry to wait for the sandwich maker to fire up.
Is Vegemite and honey on toast an actual thing? I like both very much but together?? Is it sweet and salty gorgeous?

Embarrassing confession time. For many years, inside my head, I've ridiculed the notion of a toasted sandwich that used a frying pan/griddle rather than grill.

Last year the grill needed to settle after a deep clean. I've never done toasted sandwiches any other way than a griddle since.
Griddle one side of each slice (my preference which is why I don't like toasties from a gadget).
Butter the untoasted sides of the bread (this gets a little messy, your preferred sequence may differ).
Pop filling on one piece (toasted side), sandwich together.
Griddle on each of the 2 new sides.

Melty excellence.

My secret shame exposed.

Or apple pie.

Had to give up on trying to keep up as case was going on as too busy but as with previous cases sounds like BC is a worthy recipient of all our £10 donations to the cause.

Pilgrim Tucker could really use more support, it would be good for the OU to see a surge of support for her right about now to show these cases are not going to go away.

<parking bum on seat, agog for the awesomeness of Ben>

This cheddar on ginger biscuit sounds divine, must try. Wensleydale with ginger is quite easy to find (mentioned upthread I think)

I used to like Edam and marmalade sandwiches when I was young and unsophisticated ☺️

That was at least 16 of the 18 OU witnesses.

Jo's single witness was sane, sensible and presented reasonable evidence - so much so I can barely remember her after the subsequent farce.

It is very much sweet and salty loveliness, though you need to be careful to only use a thin smearing of vegemite and then a thin smearing of honey over the top.

Jo's witness was good, but detail is lost in the mists of time, (which means yesterday or depending on the time of day, this morning for me).

I will need to go back and read TT.

I can only watch 30 mins today so hoping for a prompt start.

I shall try the Marmite and honey combo. Sweet and salty. No mimsy spectrum there - that's a proper binary snack.

WFTCHTJ.....

Seconded

Hoping Debra is clerking today.

Sorry about ⬆️ - i was seconding the motion that these threads have been a fantastic, knowledgeable witty and supportive resource these last few weeks. What an amazing community.

You called? 😉

Also, did I miss something? What happened to Dame Selina Todd. I thought she was JP’s star witness?

No it was Professor Sarah Earle who was Jo's witness.

I'm still WFJTGHAIG - WaitingFor JustinToGetHisArseInGear

@CriticalCondition hope you enjoy it!

I bet they started without us again.

Yep. We'll come in mid-sentence again.

The administration of this ET has been appalling. I guess we shouldn’t be surprised.

Maybe the OU KC has run away? I know I would if I had to try and make a case out of the shower of shite the OU witnesses said.

I think her case will be that Jo was difficult but I don't think being difficult (not saying Jo was!) is an excuse for bullying and bigotry

Me too. I'd had to faff with the settings so I wondered if I'd been left in the lobby for the sin of being late, but at least we haven't started yet.