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Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 8

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ickky · 19/10/2023 21:06

Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

You may attend in person or remote viewing has been quite limited but you can request log in details from

Email [email protected]

Header should read

URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

Ask for access link and pin and please give your name and address in the email as they check when you connect to the tribunal.

The clerk will ask you (in a private remote room) to put your camera on to verify, this involves looking at you, but no ID is needed. You may turn off your camera after this pointless and unnecessary process.

Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21😇
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language - This witness did not give evidence.

Witness for JP:

SE - Professor Sarah Earle, Head of the HWSRA

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Thread 6
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4921308-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-6

Thread 7
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4922765-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-7

Professor Jo Phoenix v The Open University

Academia and gender critical beliefs

https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

OP posts:
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Sisterpita · 20/10/2023 09:47

@Emotionalsupportviper you can get Wensleydale with ginger all year round. I’m sure I’ve also had white Stilton with ginger too but that may be Christmas time.

TriceratopsRocks · 20/10/2023 09:49

Hello to all. I've had some lovely cheeses from www.snowdoniacheese.co.uk/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwysipBhBXEiwApJOcu6Naut3Y0AWdie9HOQQ0BQSl2_gg7WvD76seVrWPnPuC4u2AO5aFPhoCVNMQAvD_BwE
They do a cheddar and crystallised ginger one.

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/10/2023 09:49

@LarkLane I think you are right the OU KC can really only go down the 'difficult to work with' route which I suspect will be horrible to watch

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 20/10/2023 09:50

Feckedupbundle · 20/10/2023 09:30

Whoo hoo. Rained off work today. Bad for my bank account but excellent for following proceedings in real time instead of catching up in the evenings.

Same here. The place where I work is absolutely sodden, so I'll just have to stay at home following the proceedings. Oh dear.

LarkLane · 20/10/2023 09:52

Ok everyone. Group photo before we start. Wave to Jo. Courage calls!

All squish together and say:

CHEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSE!

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/10/2023 09:55



Chrysanthemum5 · 20/10/2023 09:56

Oh that was supposed to be an image of courage calls to courage!

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 20/10/2023 09:57

CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE!

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/10/2023 09:58

CCCHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSEEEEEE. 🧀🧀🧀🧀🧀

Bakingdiva · 20/10/2023 10:03

Redshoeblueshoe · 20/10/2023 09:45

Bakingdiva oh my word. They have cheese hampers. That's Christmas sorted.

I daren't look too closely or I'd buy it all!

SidewaysOtter · 20/10/2023 10:11

Is it a 10am start today?

SinnerBoy · 20/10/2023 10:11

Sisterpita · Today 09:47

I gave my daughter some Wensleydale the other day and she complained that it was bitter. No amount of, "But it's what Wallace and Grommit eat!" could move her

Madcats · 20/10/2023 10:12

I'll just leave these restaurants here for the cheese lovers:

www.thecheesebar.com

Cheese on a barge, or on a sushi-restaurant style conveyor belt, anybody?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/10/2023 10:13

SidewaysOtter · 20/10/2023 10:11

Is it a 10am start today?

TT says 11am

ickky · 20/10/2023 10:16

It's 11am start today.

OP posts:
PronounssheRa · 20/10/2023 10:16

TriceratopsRocks · 20/10/2023 09:49

Hello to all. I've had some lovely cheeses from www.snowdoniacheese.co.uk/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwysipBhBXEiwApJOcu6Naut3Y0AWdie9HOQQ0BQSl2_gg7WvD76seVrWPnPuC4u2AO5aFPhoCVNMQAvD_BwE
They do a cheddar and crystallised ginger one.

Seconded.

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/10/2023 10:19

@SinnerBoy you need to start her off on a piece of wendsleydale alongside a piece of cake

MassiveWordSalad · 20/10/2023 10:19

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/10/2023 09:56

Oh that was supposed to be an image of courage calls to courage!

Cheese calls to cheese 🧀🧀

TheSkyRaisin · 20/10/2023 10:21

I haven't been able to keep up with all the threads unfortunately. I think I'm still on number four.

Did Jo's witness speak do well?

CriticalCondition · 20/10/2023 10:21

On the subject of cheese and pickle I have recently discovered the deliciousness that is the cheddar and kimchi toasted sandwich. The cheddar needs to be quite fighty to stand up to the kimchi but 'tis a marriage made in heaven.

TheSecretHistoryOfGoldfinchTartt · 20/10/2023 10:21

@RocketPanda Biscoff 🤩 Now that’s upping the quick and dirty cheesecake offering.

TheSkyRaisin · 20/10/2023 10:21

TheSkyRaisin · 20/10/2023 10:21

I haven't been able to keep up with all the threads unfortunately. I think I'm still on number four.

Did Jo's witness speak do well?

🙄I no speak well

Did Jo's witness do well/make a good impression?

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 20/10/2023 10:24

cheddar and kimchi toasted sandwich

I need to try that. We don't have a sandwich toaster but I could do it like cheese on toast and put the kimchi under the cheese.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 20/10/2023 10:25

Did Jo's witness do well/make a good impression?

I suppose it depends on what you mean by 'good impression'. They certainly gave a lot of us a good laugh.

Beamur · 20/10/2023 10:28

I am looking forward to hearing Ben's summary. I've been repeatedly amazed by the sheer bare faced lying going on from supposedly intelligent people who also ID as having excellent integrity and moral standing. Not my words - err in your witness statement plus selective amnesia..

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