Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 7

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21😇
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager

Witness for JP:

SE - Professor Sarah Earle, Head of the HWSRA

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Thread 6 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4921308-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-6

It was the one @JoIsBraverThanIAm linked! I thought the mad professor had written it but looks like it's real!!

This is the sort of groundbreaking, high quality research that wokeism is destroying.

I feel a PhD coming on . . .

I am called to mind of the Swedish ship I worked on, which had a sign in the mess, next to the hatch, where we scraped our plates into the bin and passed them through to be washed.

Please don't put the fucking spoons in the fucking bin.

They don't have proper swearing in Sweden.

I only did a quick read of the teaspoon paper but I think, though it's an impression rather than a rigorous proper hard think, that the tragedy of the commons can be applied to the encroachment of men into women's spaces. They may have 'always' done it but the pasture is quickly becoming degraded.

Cab rank rule is a thing but that really just means they have to accept cases. I instruct barristers regularly and I always specifically go for those who I know are shit hot, I have my own “yes” and “no” lists in my head.

So you might think there would be some who had built a particular name for themselves in a specific field where you might see their names come up more regularly, I guess as we do with BC, but it doesn’t seem that the “other side” have a particular standout who is being repeatedly requested, unless anyone has any further info.

Karon Monaghan is another KC who does a lot of work in this field on the GC side.

Well there is Robin Moira White, of course.

I think possibly no barrister has made a name for acting against GC individuals because not many cases like that have been won?

You've just reminded me to re-read this. 😉

www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2021/09/02/a-practical-guide/

Finally catching up with today's posts and had to stop for a breather after this one, cos I laughed so hard. @Emotionalsupportviperare you outing yourself as one of those "pup play" types, or just demonstrating the strength of your BCKC devotion here? 😂

Watch out, if you mention that book too many times, RMW will appear, in the same vein as Beetlejuice.

Beware...

I would love to see RMW appear and explain how the OU were perfectly reasonable in their treatment of Jo.

There's also Reindorf on the GC side, obviously. She's currently preparing another tribunal against the OU.

Is she? That explains why she’s been following this one so closely.

I only know that her name is listed as the KC on a case looking for funds in Crowd Justice. I don't know where they are with the preparation of the case, or even whether it's definitely going to go ahead.

No harm in saying it's Almut Gadow's case, surely. Here's hoping what's just happened has increased the chance that that one will settle in a way satisfactory to her...

Are you celebrating Rumpole's RMW's triumph in the case of Taylor vs Jaguar, alone and without a leader?

https://www.gov.uk/employment-tribunal-decisions/ms-r-taylor-v-jaguar-land-rover-ltd-1304471-2018

No harm, I just didn't remember the name off hand because I'm not familiar with it.

I've been following this hearing avidly, so thanks to everyone who's been keeping these threads updated.

Imagine my surprise to see a couple of people where I'm currently working as a temp openly plotting to anonymously report a GC woman for harassment so a:gender would contact her HR staff and kick her off Yammer!

It's like what's happening in the courts just doesn't impinge on them at all.

Is that Civil Service Rayon?

My extensive studies of Swedish swearing☆ suggest that 'Helvete' is used for 90% of situations, with 'Piss' filling most of the remaining gap. In extremis (such as the provocation of repeated teaspoon disregard) a switch to English is indeed the preferred solution.

☆ Nordic Noir addiction.

I tell you what, this case makes me think that whatever I do as a manager, I will follow guidance and polices to the letter, keep copious notes etc etc. Because if the alternative is having to explain myself to Mr Cooper..

I feel my opening statement would be “…the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God and I’m very sorry, I accept liability for everything, I won’t do it again, and please may I be excused?”

I read this as a death threat aimed at multiple people - ie part of the reaction to the GCRN, as sounds like the other grievances are likely from the other members if the issues were very similar.