Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 6

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Can we add I'm not an academic to the bingo card please?

There are 39 in the remote room, there were 45 the other day.

I count 40

It looks like 35 plus the court and CT's bedroom

Sorry, cross posted, not meaning to contradict!

@PoshCoffee My internet died for about a minute about 15 mins ago.
What time did your fail? I had lost Bluetooth on head set

Who's going to be cited next, Hayden? Harrop?

It CT how can you decide whether gender critical is a fit subject for academic discourse when you keep reminding us you are not academic

A few minutes behind but I do get a frisson when BC has to read out rude words in court. Is that wrong of me?

About 5 mins ago.

Another example of witness agreeing the sky is blue but that doesn't mean it is blue

I see this witness has activated the satnav and is going down 'don't know' Road and 'didn't really look' Avenue. Surely there'll be a right turn into 'I was very busy' Lane any time soon.

Love Ben's characteristic "We-ell" (e.g., when she said she wouldn't characterise something as a message, it was feedback). This witness is not clever enough to go head to head with Ben, and would be better advised not to try.

BC running rings around this witness getting her to agree certain behaviour is unacceptable and then pointing out she's behaved in that way

This witness is not clever enough to go head to head with Ben, and would be better advised not to try.

Agree.

What was the Joss Prior connection?

CT - I'm not sure what your point is?
BC remains silent.

New Thread

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4922765-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-7

What was the Joss Prior connection?

A typical Joss Prior tweet made to JP was read out as an example of TRA abuse to her.

Thanks @Ereshkigalangcleg

Witness now saying she is not of any import re job and level.

I was only following orders. Add to bingo card.

Yet again a witness that has not thought about it from any other perspective than their’s.

She is emblematic of the many useful idiots of the trans rights activist movement.

Thanks for the new thread @ickky