Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 6

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Lots about being respectful to trans and non binary people - but nothing about the Fuck Terfs signs or choke on my girl dick etc. is that respectful to women?

Funny how they all stand with t and nb staff and students but nothing about the gay, lesbian or bisexual staff and students. Thought it was all No LGB without the T.

I wonder if HBC has the self awareness to realise that she contributes to this "hostile climate" by constantly coming out with one sided hyperbole which other people also find objectionable?

No she'll see herself as righteous and pure.

JM mentioned Louise Westmarland as a witness tomorrow. We've already had her?

Sitting until 5pm tomorrow to get through the witnesses. Starting at 10am

Another astounding day!

BC is doing his best. Is it just me or are the witnesses protecting DD?

I don't think it's just you.

TT commentary from this afternoon.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1713915329519227071.html

Thanks for the new thread.

Some of the witnesses are starting to remind me of Fat Tony, the mafia boss in The Simpsons. 'What's a murder?' 'What's a truck?' ... What is WhatsApp? I have never heard of Twitter, my posting history is a complete mystery to me. What is this 'letter' to which you refer? What is gender? Actually, no, you can't answer that last one, it is triggering and not supportive.

Thanks again for the insight everyone who's following live.

Yes all of the witnesses so far have shared nothing with Dr Drake. Its a wonder that she will be a witness as apparently she wasn't kept in the loop and she did nothing and knew nothing.

She's never even heard of OU.

The OU really should test its water - the mass amnesia is worrying. (sarcasm)

I cannot imagine how the panel could conclude that the open letter was purely to support trans and was not to deplatform the GC network. No one could possibly believe that could they?

Although you just never know with tribunals. Just look at the tribunal in Maya's case.

Why is it so important to protect DD?

It must be quite an ego massage being such an ally, the RSOH, and get to be a bully/bigot while still feeling virtuous.

There's really no downside. She'll leave the tribunal feeling victimised. Will doubtless get together with her circle, who'll agree she's done nothing wrong. After all, the legal system is transphobic and wants to genocide tp.

I don't know what to do about these people. Apologies, like that of John Boyne, are vanishingly rare. Even those mandated by legal action are invariably grudging, where they can be called apologies at all.

Vile, blind people.

Thank you for the new thread.

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Thank you x

Thanks for the new thread.

Two things really stand out from today. One: they believed that full on prejudice against GC was good and righteous - and they're finding it very difficult because they feel it is righteous but know they're on dodgy ground legally (and believe the law is wrong and they are right). This is Stonewall training: impartiality is 'hate'. You cannot live alongside the transgressors, you must be seen to spit upon them to prove your love for the Faith.

Two: there is no way for anyone to talk about any doubts or other positions but full on ideology, at all, in any language, that would not be transphobic and sinful.

They're toast. I really can't see any other way this can go.

Stop Press.
Staff Secret OU Training Video on Nolan finally revealed.

Do we know proposed witnesses for tomorrow? I requested online log in for today but didn't hear back

But ✨trans✨.

Just caught up with today. Goodness, the OU are not coming out of this looking at all good are they? Astounded at the lack of self-awareness and critical thought among the academic witnesses, what a shower of shit. Keep going Jo, you are doing a brave thing indeed for all of us.