Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 6

[ickky]

Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Not been able to watch any of the hearing today. Are we starting with a fresh witness in the morning?

The only person I know that did a gender studies degree is in a Human Resources job. They will not like the advice as they is implementing things in the workplace that are not popular already.

Just caught up with yet another jaw-dropping day.
Thanks again @ickky and everyone.

Great minds, my dear.

Great minds . . . 😁

And that is another aspect of this.

A good ally uses their position and power to further the political agenda and enforce it over others.

A good ally uses their position and power to further the political agenda and enforce it over others.

As Mr Justice Julian Knowles, phrased it: "In this country we have never had a Cheka, a Gestapo or a Stasi. We have never lived in an Orwellian society."

Yet, looking at these OU witnesses and attending to their disdain for JP, and the pride at their WApp secret cells, I can't shake the feeling that they're behaving in a remarkably similar manner when it comes to recruiting/encouraging citizens to inform on each other.

Did anyone listen to this bit and catch which colleague they were talking about? Was it Jo or someone else?

I think that’s right. But the OU can’t stop people from deleting records on their private accounts, or release the records for them. So the difference is in retention and practicalities.

Some (sensible) organizations do (or should) forbid employees from using any private accounts for anything to do with work, for those reasons.

It was laura favro ( sorry not sure of name) who HBC likes so worried about whereas she thinks Jo is a total transphobe so she cares not one bit about her welfare

Classy! Thanks

Managed to catch up. Thank you everyone who reported and commented today. I'm too busy this week to catch much of the final couple of days live. Gutted as it's remarkable watching.

Bringing down a VC and claiming credit for it seems quite the achievement for a succession of individuals, several of whom claim to have a "little voice".

This is what happens when the mean girls from school get an education and access to online tools that enable them to carry on bullying on a grand scale.

It is soooo mean girls from school!

I work for the OU 🫣 To reassure those of you thinking the whole organisation has lost its mind I would say that this embarrassing shower are not very representative of my colleagues!

Thank fuck for that! It's good to hear.

Oscallia thank goodness for that

I'm pleased to hear that @Oscallia perhaps you could circulate a letter?😁

Place mark

Perhaps use the blueprint outlined in the helpful publication referenced above?

Wait a sec just have to set up a whatsapp group to write it and then immediately forget everyone who was in it

Don't forget to delete and get a new phone. Solidarity Comrade! Dib dib dob.

They are talking about Laura McGrath who was an "out" member of the OUGRN. She works in the Psychology dept. alongside HBC.

Thank the lord for small mercies. Is anyone talking about this case at work? Do tell, my ears are aflapping. 😁

Ah yes a different laura - thanks

Just a thought. Jo was very very over-qualified for her role at the OU.

Is this a lot less to do with the trans issue and more to do with her being a serious threat to a cosy department?

Trans is just the convenient way to shut her down.