Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 5

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

The sighing rate is increasing.

Her voice actually wobbled when she lied just then.

Wow that's damning.

And am I reading the TTs right that a WhatsApp group was deleted?

It just gets worse and worse. Harassing people with biology now! Who'd have thought that an actual scientific fact was harassment?!

BC - did you conduct all your discussions on private network/emails and then delete them?

HBC - no

BC: did you deliberately conduct all your correspondence c the open letter in private and then delete it. We have no disclosure of any drafting of the letter.

HBC: people were so scared. Think the drafting was hosted on google. Can't remember how it got written

BC knows they wrote the letter on a private group, we know they did that and now the panel can make up their own mind

Now we are getting to it - no drafts of the letter because it was all done in secret 'because they were scared'. But, didn't they the go onto publish it with signatories?

HBC - people were so scared at this time.

HBC meet ropes

HBC: people were so scared. Think the drafting was hosted on google. Can't remember how it got written

How convenient.

HBC: everyone who signed open letter take equal responsibility

Hbc- I don't know whose idea it was. People were talking about it everywhere. I didn't want to throw anyone under the bus.

I was not under oath I was in a discussion with my employer = I lied to my employer

HBC: don't know whose idea open letter ws. people were talking about it everywhere. I was delib being vague cos didn;t want to throw people under the bus.

HBC: I was involved in the drafting and the creation of the open letter

BC: who were the other colleagues

pause

Oooh, so who WERE those other colleagues?

Oh she admits she wrote it with others and now Bc wants her to say which ones were involved

HBC trying to avoid giving names

BC - you wrote the letter with colleagues? Yes

Who were they?

HBC - fuck knows

HBC: i'd have to guess, honestly. Was involved in discussions with loads of people. Unfair to pull names out of air and say they helped draft it cos a long time ago.,

BC: suggest you have a better recollection than letting on

She is flailing now

HBC - I know I was involved in the drafting,I know I did the bit about the podcast.

Can you plead the 5th at an ET?

HBC: I remember being at computer drafting letter but can't remember who else was doing it.

Really, really flailing.