Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 4

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

I’m sure he’s mixing up his podcast

I thought you'd be able to explain the 'burning to death' comment.

PK: there was is t communities in UK and globally in parlous position where being killed, health problems, being burnt alive. In this context, the podcast did dogwhistle trans baiting. it was a jokey podcast about incredibly serious things that shouldn't be joked about.

What!!! Who’s been burnt to death their their beds?

Trans people being burnt to death in their beds

PK - trans people being burnt in their beds?

I've listened to the full podcast and no one is laughing about anyone being killed

Trans people being burned alive in their beds. How does he get away with talking such nonsense

Again, burning to death in their beds.

Does anyone know what this refers to?

Bingo!

We're on a variant of the 'most oppressed' narrative now and still no attention to women's needs

Prof dog whistling about 'right to exist' and jumping up and down against savage minds podcast. I think he objects to the tone cos trans people are dieing in the health crisis and being burnt in their beds, so women can't laugh and anyway, the podcast blamed trans people for 'everything that's gone wrong'

'Trans people being burnt to death in their beds.'

Gobsmacked!!!

One of the open letters referenced tw being burnt alive in a refugee camp in Kenya. I think that 's what he's referring to .

God he'd been an awful lecturer. I couldn't bear to listen to his wittering on and then saying 'yeah' all the time

I haven't heard anything like that happening, I think he needs to cite his source.

"people do need to be accountable for what they say" - yes prof and you're accountable for excluding so many women from the category, and associated protections for, women.

I'm shaking my head...i can't believe what i've just heard.

I think he objects to the tone cos trans people are dieing in the health crisis and being burnt in their beds, so women can't laugh and anyway, the podcast blamed trans people for 'everything that's gone wrong'

I agree, and I think the disingenuousness of this is vile.

I don't remember tw in Kenya in the podcast.

It seems everything really is transphobia to this witness.

the savage minds podcast is dog whistle from the start to the end apparently. I’m so glad the Judge asked to listen to it herself.

Is he allowed to outright lie like this?

hmm, 3 women murdered every week in the UK by men, using a variety of means. Should that not be part of the analysis? He is a raving supremacist! It's good to showcase the male egos which run universities because change is needed.

What about the harm to women? Or do we not matter?

You must be new here. Oh course we don't matter.