Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 4

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

I'm confused by what this man is trying to show. He appears to be saying that the problem was that other people's work got in the way of his and he thought it was a fait accompli that his should be privileged?

BC: You didn't need to threaten to take action that would harm GCRN in order to reassure

PK: My work has been carefully nurtured over 30 years with communities. Need to make it clear we are distancing ourselves in every way poss with GCRN and activities online. It was business critical. It cut us off from vital funding. We ended up impoverished.

BC: We have one email in 5,500p that has one partner asking for reassurance. No evidence of oncoming ruin of partnerships.

KP: I don't work in this field in this world - in UK and LGBT - because the univ doesn't have the credibility.

BC: Not true

PK: Not going to argue the toss

Why does he keep referring to sexed bodies? Like they are completely autonomous things, not people just bodies.

BC is mad!

Imagine not seeing your family for a month because you have to sit and listen to this bollocks.

This is glorious. How i wish i was listening in. But the commentary on the thread is priceless.

@PoshCoffee as a woman who is disabled I'm really pissed off by these people who only use the word disabled to help prop their own agenda up.

Probably because he doesn't want to acknowledge biological sex in any other way.

I’m worried about mine and I’m only reading what this insufferable windbag has to say. His nickname at the OU must be “Onan”

Perhaps GC academics should just say "males", and not pander by using "transwomen" - it's clearly not appreciated as a concession.
Then we would be back to men in dresses.

Well yes,

Why does he keep referring to sexed bodies? Like they are completely autonomous things, not people just bodies.

My reply was @PoshCoffee

@LarkLane me too. I have a severely disabled child and a parent who uses a power chair for mobility. They’d be telling this pompous arse to get in the bin.

Ben - making the case that putting GCRN on blast has a chilling affect

He has that annoying habit of ending his assertions with a faint condescending, 'yeah?' before moving swiftly on to the next one.

BC: Why encourage a boycott if your objective is to reassure your partners.

PK: We felt ambushed by set up of GCRN. Felt we'd been deliberately excluded and so boycotted.

[wonders why GCRN didn't include him]

His nose was out of joint because he was not involved in setting up the GRN - though how could he have expected to be when he expects affirmative language at all times despite that being part of the problem as GC people see it? He is just coming across as v arrogant. Walking ego.

It really is his way or the highway isn't it? What an insufferable windbag.

Well exactly. We See Them. The hypocritical self serving sods.Grrr.

It's a rherotical device designed to get the listener to find themselves agreeing with him. It doesn't work in people like BC who can see that this is what people do when they know their points can't be validated but don't want to have to justify themselves.

Burnt alive? what did he say?

What? People burnt alive? Trans people being killed? What is he talking about?

Sucking women's cock!

'Trans people are being burnt alive'
What??

PK - we were seeing people being burned alive

Did he really say that? Was that happening? And how does he think that's the problem of the gender critical network

who was burned alive?

Burnt alive??

I'm stunned.