Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 4

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

PK: I think the most helpful thing here is for me to ...

BC: NO. The most helpful thing is for you to answer my qs.

Thanks to all the updaters from another mostly-lurker.

I've been offline most of today, anyone mind saying who's been done today and who are we up to now?

BC has the patience of a saint. I’d have thrown a glass at this man’s head by now.

Prof trying to tell Ben what would be helpful now and Ben assertively saying "what would be helpful now is if you answered my questions". Priceless.

@WFTCHTJ mumsnet is bloody annoying sometimes!

👏👏👏👏

We've finished with Leigh Downes and now onto Peter Keogh.

LD finished earlier and we are now on PK.

Prof coming across as a man who is used to talking and very inexperienced at listening.

This man thinks he has such a strong case and all he has to do is explain to the thickies and they will accept his logic

PK: To be frank. The way the GCRN was launched, on twitter, in public, meant they had brought this into public domain. We had to reassure the T, LGBT, disabled, etc communities we work with

As an aside I was really happy when I recognised that Miranda Yardley is actually a student buddy mentor on my OU physics module this year 😊

Dr, Downes has finished. This is Peter Keogh see witness list.
Going ok for Jo so far.

When they reach ontological, they will have to stop. Sharp.

Are we on a break?

He's coming across as super arrogant and unwilling to listen

Haven’t been able to listen to any of this so far - do you think there’s any chance of trying to get a log in at this late stage?
Saw Jo’s update today and have sown a few winter lettuce seeds.

PK - 'no, let me finish'

Ben - no.

It’s quite something to say you speak to and on behalf of all those people like they are one homogenous mass.

PK - we ended up impoverished and without a home.

Ah BC showing there is no evidence for the hyperbolic statements PK is saying about the risk of losing funding

Thanks @GCITC @ickky and @LarkLane

I've obviously been missing a lot of fun and games!

PK - there may not be evidence in the bundles'

PK - my carefully nurtured work of over 30 years was one click away from the savage Minds podcast. We had to distance ourselves. It was business critical. Our work risked being impoverished.
BC - that is simply not true.

PK really needs to rein this in - I worry about his blood pressure as he seems so angry