Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 4

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

I did lose all my WhatsApp messages when changing phone and also SIM card and number. I was using old tech and the cheapest PAYG.

However, if I move my WhatsApp account back to the old phone, they are all still there. 💫

Back to hear no evil, see no evil on twitter nastiness about the GC network.

Spot on - gender ideology in a nutshell

I think JM just really wants this witness to be finished it's torture

And now BC is taking LD through the things she said in tweets

LD retweeting Sally Hines

Still so arrogant, and yet so very, very dim.

I would love for a court to pin down that 'inclusive' does not mean 'TRA ideology compliant' in actual law and reality.

Do we have 'I was emotional and didn't think things through' on the bingo card

There is no way this woman thinks she has done anything wrong. She simply won't look. She is secure in her own cloud of righteousness. And I have given up bothering pandering to her self ID and demanded pronouns.

'panicking' is not an excuse.

Many men say that they were 'panicking' about X, Y or Z when they kill their wives.

She was sh@t stirring to try to get someone she disagreed with picked on and cancelled by the mob. She didn’t expect to be held accountable for it. She’s aggrieved that’s happening now as she is scared caste so it shouldn’t happen to her/they. In a nutshell.

Do we have 'I was emotional and didn't think things through' on the bingo card

"I drove into a bin"

We need 'it's regrettable' (in a tone of voice which means you definitely aren't sorry at all) on the bingo card.

LD - I was very emotional and I was panicking. I didn't understand it (the Forstater judgment).

LD on the ropes now

BC leads her to a particularly nasty retweet.

LD for once agrees that this isn't good. Regrettable. But then says the embedded tweet isn't what I meant to focus on. 'It wasn't that big when I retweeted it.'

LD: is something I wish I hadn't done.

Gosh this female was unpleasant to Jo.

Ben going through a number of tweets. Inc labelling GCRN as transphobic.

LD: I'm not a namecaller

LD - I'm not namecalling. I'm not a namecaller.

I’m asking for access.

LD I am not a name caller - said 2 minutes after reading out her tweet calling Jo a Terf!

You might not identify as a name-caller, doesn't mean you're not a name caller in actual fact.

What was the retweet?

Thanks everyone for the posts btw.

I wonder how many GC perspectives LD retweeted???