Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 4

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Is there any acceptance than women have lived experience of being female that transwomen will never have? No, of course not because women don't matter

Ben - TERFS can choke on my girldick 😂

LD saying she's never seen tweets threatening women or telling them they had to suck female sick. Right we believe you

LD said 'ooh dear' when she turned to the 'choke on my girl dick' tweets in the bundle.

Dick not sick!

I would imagine there were replies similar to that in the responses to the setting up of the GCRN.

Given their area of interest, there is no way that they haven't seen this type of tweet, there are thousands and thousands of them.

Given this was a large part of the Allison Bailey tribunal BC knows what he's talking about here.

Could I be a bit rude (and lazy) and ask if there was any possibility of a summary o the action so far? I am trying to keep up with the threads but am so busy at work that I can't keep up 😭

I got as far as the HR director admitting they hadn't read the grievance fully and have come back to a new thread 🤣

Now the Nancy Kelly tweet.

Sexual racists?

LD has all the slogans down pat, she seems very online, it's inconceivable that she is unaware of the vitriol against women, and especially lesbians.

On to Nancy Kelley and sexual racists.

If LD is EDI lead, it is q clear that there is only one letter from LGBT she has ever considered

I think she knows. She just doesn't care.

Ben Cooper saying "choke on my girl dick" in a husky voice should definitely be the trailer for the film.

Ain't that the truth.

On to 'men in dresses'.

"Ben Cooper and The Big Book of Nasty Tweets" might not be as snappy a title as "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" but I reckon JK Rowling could make something of it.

Thank you all.

I think these organisations need to start appointing more well rounded people in these EDI roles.

Is she trying to be cute now??

With her 'all these bundles are confusing me..'

Yes counting up to 10 can be confusing.

I imagine these tribunals are starting to feel like Groundhog Day for Ben. Same dimwitted witnesses who claim total ignorance of every aspect of the topic they're being questioned about.

BC on podcast: 1990s queer culture had men in dresses.

LD: I was not around in the 90s and this hot bed of queerness.

I imagine these tribunals are starting to feel like Groundhog Day for Ben. Same dimwitted witnesses who claim total ignorance of every aspect of the topic they're being questioned about.

Marketing "experts" who claim not to understand how Twitter works etc