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Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 4

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ickky · 12/10/2023 16:30

Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

You may attend in person or remote viewing has been quite limited but you can request log in details from

Email [email protected]

Header should read

URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

Ask for access link and pin and please give your name and address in the email as they check when you connect to the tribunal.

The clerk will ask you (in a private remote room) to put your camera on to verify, this involves looking at you, but no ID is needed. You may turn off your camera after this pointless and unnecessary process.

Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

OP posts:
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2023 11:25

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p09yjmph?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Nolan Investigates: Stonewall for anyone interested in the issues and not familiar

Chrysanthemum5 · 13/10/2023 11:25

LD really not wanting to take any accountability for what she did

Mmmnotsure · 13/10/2023 11:25

BC: remember we are focusing on what you did, not what you think. You went to the faculty dean and told him this shouldn't have gone to newsletter. You seem v reluctant to talk c what you did. Only about how you feel. H of Faculty wasn't your counsellor. you were trying to get him to do something

Chrysanthemum5 · 13/10/2023 11:25

Which is fair enough - if I'd behaved like she has I'd not want to be reminded of it

ickky · 13/10/2023 11:26

Chrysanthemum5 · 13/10/2023 11:25

LD really not wanting to take any accountability for what she did

No, they were only concerned about the good name of The OU and Stonewall.

OP posts:
Mmmnotsure · 13/10/2023 11:26

BC: female cock

bingo card

LD: that part of podcast crossed the line

CriticalCondition · 13/10/2023 11:26

LD- JP has a right to say that about SW but I don't agree with it
BC - but it's not about what you think, it what you do. You went to IF as head of faculty to get him to speak to JP .

Ameanstreakamilewide · 13/10/2023 11:26

BC - Suck female cock.

J - I'm sorry, i didn't catch that last bit, Mr Cooper.

😂

chilling19 · 13/10/2023 11:26

LarkLane · 13/10/2023 11:21

Thanks so much everyone for keeping the rest of us updated. It must be doing your heads in listening to this.

@chilling19 a special look in on you Flowers

Thank you! I am feeling much better today after a good night's sleep. I was surprised to be triggered like that yesterday. x

chilling19 · 13/10/2023 11:26

Ameanstreakamilewide · 13/10/2023 11:26

BC - Suck female cock.

J - I'm sorry, i didn't catch that last bit, Mr Cooper.

😂

😂😂😂

Melissamelisante · 13/10/2023 11:27

She should be limited to yes or no answers.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2023 11:27

Her explanation Grin

chilling19 · 13/10/2023 11:28

Ben - well done for keeping your patience.

LarkLane · 13/10/2023 11:28

Ameanstreakamilewide · 13/10/2023 11:26

BC - Suck female cock.

J - I'm sorry, i didn't catch that last bit, Mr Cooper.

😂

Really laughing at this. What a gem. oooh matron!

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 13/10/2023 11:28

We're now on a speech on the poor transwomen that can't find anyone to shag them rather than lesbians pressured to accept male-bodied sexual partners

CriticalCondition · 13/10/2023 11:28

LD waffling on about swiping right on people who are black...

Mochudubh · 13/10/2023 11:29

She's digging that hole so deep she's going to emerge in Pellucidar.

It's eternal sunshine there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellucidar

Pellucidar - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellucidar

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2023 11:29

"Lived experience" for the bingo card

CriticalCondition · 13/10/2023 11:29

Can we add lived experience to the bingo card please?

CriticalCondition · 13/10/2023 11:29

Snap!

katmarie · 13/10/2023 11:30

Ben has the receipts....

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2023 11:30

"I'm not aware of any abusive tweets"

Mmmnotsure · 13/10/2023 11:30

LD: I understood at time the suck cock thing was coming from a misinterpretation of t talking c difficulties of finding a sex partner.

BC: lesbians rule out relations with t cos attraction sex based. That was expressed as transphobia

LD: Not transphobia. Just the lived experience of t people

BC: lots of abuse on twitter to lesbians who won't accept t

LD: not aware of those tweets

PoshCoffee · 13/10/2023 11:30

Poor BC and his croaky voice. I bet that’s really painful.
<wonders if could Amazon some Lemsip to Watford>

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2023 11:31

He's got his big book of nasty tweets out again Grin

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