Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 4

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

BC: your response is not to argue views but treat it as serious EDI matter and go to head of faculty

LD: it was criticising me so I went to my line manager

Yes, we mustn't upset the rapists! FFS what is wrong with them.

LD was very upset about an email re women having to refer to their rapists as she in court. She was very concerned about the effect this email would have on her trans and nb colleagues. She thought it was an EDI issue and referred it to her EDI manager.

Ah bless! All that concern for other people being upset by reality, and all those sensitive feelings don't extend to women or girls who have been raped.

All that concern for other people being upset by reality, and all those sensitive feelings don't extend to women or girls who have been raped.

So typical it's a cliche now.

LD copies in senior manager and dean of EDI c how comments have affected LD. Says they are harmful statements.

LD: I felt some ways views manifested crossed the line. I was just asking for guidance

Well, that's the point. If you want to destroy women's sport, make talking about fairness impossible.

Ben Cooper, what a hero. Just how do you unwind and unhear what he hears all day?
The courts are where TRA comes to die. There is no safe hiding place for these Grade A idiots. Unfortunately these idiots are the ones holding the futures of the likes of Jo, and society, to ransom.

Well, that's the point. If you want to destroy women's sport, make talking about fairness impossible.

Indeed. This happened in hearings in the US.

She really is on planet ZOD. This is what all those screamers and haterz at LWS in Liverpool feed off.

BC trying to get to bottom of who was in this WA group. LD can't remember.

If LD only thinks the rapists feelings matter, I'd recommend LD heading off to one of many countries around the world where only men have rights. Good luck persuading them to not see LD as female though.

She makes me want to scream.

We're on to the SMinds podcast now I think.

Her 'yes' was in a very small voice, just then.

BC Had you read the Reindorf report?
LD - no

Thanks so much everyone for keeping the rest of us updated. It must be doing your heads in listening to this.

@chilling19 a special look in on you

Yes, delurking just to say I really appreciate the updates!

She didn't say Stonewall gave legal advice, she said that the advice SW gave was illegal.

She needs to listen to the Nolan BBC podcast.

Mis information campaign about Stonewall. Really!

Ooh we’ve got ourselves a proper TRA here, haven’t we.
Welcome to the real world, love.

That would be auditory violence to them.

BC: Remember Dr Downes, I'm asking what you did not what you think!

BC: You seem very reluctant to own what you did.

Ooooh.