Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 4

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

What the trans prisoners like Katie Dolatowski who attacked a 10 year old in the toilets? That those transwomen were predators?

WPUK if anyone fancies watching it in the break

Delurking to give monumental thanks to the thread wrens providing commentary ❤️

BC: This is really for re-exam. I didn't put the q that the witness said I did.

And still we talk, on LD's grounds. They are letting LD arrange this around her wishes.

Is al this an eg of an inexperienced judge?

I suppose it is all helpful to the Judge to show what Jo was dealing with.

Judge just misgendered they!

Ben and Judge agreeing LD hasn't understood the question that Ben asked LD.

Judge just referred to LD as she.

Judge apologies.

Has LD been given a soapbox?

BC shutting it down.

Ben - shuts it down! Finally

BC trying to move on to exam. It is 10.56.

I think they have their own personal one.

Ben saying he believes we just move on with re-examination.

LD - yes that's fine.

I don't like LD realises it's not LDs decision to make.

I do have to wonder about how credulous LD is. She's dealing with convicted prisoners here, and while I could see that some are incredibly vulnerable, many are not. How discerning is she?

I think LD probably is under the misapprehension that people don't like LD because LD is trans when actually LD is just a completely insufferable bore who acts like an entitled toddler with approximately the same level of comprehension skills. Please, please BC, end this now!

LD is not listening to answer questions, LD is waiting until its time to launch into another propaganda speech. They all just love the sound of their own voices. Probably why LWS annoys them so much.

Judge also referred to Dr Boukli as she. Reality, eh?

LD appears to 'author' emails, rather than write them. Nuff said .

Someone let the judge know about mumsnet. I have a feeling she’s recently self identified as gender critical

Why does LD think trans prisoners are in prison? Half of them are there for sexual offences. What is her definition of a predator is a rapist isn’t one?

So much self absorption, should identify as Spongebob

@Ereshkigalangcleg I watched it last night -thanks so much for posting it.

It was excellent, clear, addressed the " issues " . Jo is generous about trans people in it, but absolutely clear why their issues are separate from Womens Rights.

I think LD is the 5th witness.

We've had PB, IF, MW and CM.

Thanks everyone, as ever, for the commentary. I’m reading this open mouthed at the antics of LD and feeling so sorry for Ben and Jo, it must be such a strain to be under time pressure in what is already an emotionally charged atmosphere.

The type who falls in love with a prisoner and smuggles in a key. Possibly.

LD didn't think the EDI Newsletter all about Trans (excluding gay lesbian etc) was controversial.

Of course they didn't, they are fully in the trans bubble.