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Moneymatters12 · 2023-10-05T15:23:09+00:00

I wasn’t too familiar with with Gigi but I believe she is a trans woman and her husband is a trans man both have retained their anatomy of birth and have undergone IVF to have a child whereby the father (a biological female) be carrying the child. Im semi GC I guess and don’t agree with having to refer to myself as a person with a vagina, cis and the pushing of pronouns and neo pronouns. But I do believe gender identity to be different (sometimes) from biological sex. I can imagine this being quite confusing for the child BUT a biological parent is still carrying the child (unlike surrogacy). this is for discussion not to be hateful to any person or any group

Naunet · 05/10/2023 20:01

MargotBamborough · 05/10/2023 19:54

There's nothing inherently female about pregnancy and childbirth if you change the definition of the word "female" to mean something else completely. 🙃

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We could change the definition of pregnant too if it’s unconnected to biology, men could finally start claiming they’re pregnant, all those sperm running around waiting to be ‘birthed’, so overlooked all this time….😢

jacksonspring · 05/10/2023 20:03

ClawedButler · 05/10/2023 16:55

What's being gay got to do with being trans?

Trans ideology is inherently homophobic. You have to be either homophobic or transphobic, you can't be neither.

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They are both minority identities that have provoked a lot of prejudice and hatred, with rhetoric sometimes along strikingly similar lines: ‘they’re coming for your children, they want to convert them’. ‘They’re all predators and sexual perverts’. ‘They’re confused, they don’t know who they are. I know who they are better than they do’.

Gay people did a lot of work, over a long period of time, to be visible, to advocate for themselves, to try to dispel some of that prejudice and misapprehension. The trans movement is in a much earlier stage, not helped by the fact that it’s an even smaller minority and lots of people don’t know anyone trans in their day-to-day lives.

I do sometimes wonder how many straight people on MN, who now say they have no problem with gay people they just have issue with trans people for reasons above, would have been saying similar things about gay people 10 or 20 years back.

’Trans ideology’ is a loose term so I’d want to know more about how you’re defining it. Some trans people are doubtless homophobic, as in my experience are a substantial number of non-trans people. Some trans people won’t agree with ‘trans ideology’. There’s no one trans agenda or trans viewpoint just as there’s no one ‘gay agenda’ (a term that used to get used a lot in the US) or one gay viewpoint.

Fwiw I believe in single-sex spaces such as cis women’s shelters and the right of cis lesbians to have events that are exclusive to them and I’m sceptical about people who have been through male puberty in women’s sports. So I don’t necessarily subscribe to a lot of what you would probably define as ‘trans ideology’. But there is a lot of prejudice about and dehumanisation of trans people on MN and I don’t support that either.

Fleabane · 05/10/2023 20:08

There are huge numbers of the gay, lesbian and bisexual community who have a massive issue with the homophobia which is at the heart of trans ideology @jacksonspring.

Have you heard of the LGB Alliance?

ColdEvenings · 05/10/2023 20:15

That poor poor kid! :(

StarlightLime · 05/10/2023 20:17

Folklore9074 · 05/10/2023 19:33

You’re not actually linking to anything. I searched the person you are talking about and I can’t actually see anything about a Gigi gorgeous being part of a pregnant couple on Instagram, so I think you are talking about a hypothetical trans couple. Even if this is based on a real couple, what does it matter? Two people you don’t know and have no idea the lives of are having a child. Happens every day.

Lees be real. You’ve started this thread so you can discuss something that may or may not be true, that you don’t understand anyway. You’re dressing your transphobia up as ‘innocent’ discussion and it’s just not.

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MNHQ are pretty hot on deleting transphobia. If you can see some actual examples on the thread, I'm sure they'll be happy to sort it for you.
A little hint, though; op's post doesn't qualify.

jacksonspring · 05/10/2023 20:19

Fleabane · 05/10/2023 20:08

There are huge numbers of the gay, lesbian and bisexual community who have a massive issue with the homophobia which is at the heart of trans ideology @jacksonspring.

Have you heard of the LGB Alliance?

I know. I’m a member of the gay, lesbian and bisexual community.

I find it deeply weird that any LGB person would act as if all trans people think in exactly the same way and believe exactly the same things, when they know full well that’s not true of the LGB community.

BlessedKali · 05/10/2023 20:23

it is so bizarre to see biological males act out hypersexualised 'femininity'. It'a just plain weird, a perversion.

maybe one good thing to come of all this, will be a movement away from this hyper-sexualised female ideal - big pert boobs, huge lips, insane hourglass, giant pert bum, plastic-fantastic.As more biological men immitate this MAYBE the ideal will move back to a place of natural beauty, natural women. That can't be imitated, not well.

RedToothBrush · 05/10/2023 20:30

jacksonspring · 05/10/2023 20:03

They are both minority identities that have provoked a lot of prejudice and hatred, with rhetoric sometimes along strikingly similar lines: ‘they’re coming for your children, they want to convert them’. ‘They’re all predators and sexual perverts’. ‘They’re confused, they don’t know who they are. I know who they are better than they do’.

Gay people did a lot of work, over a long period of time, to be visible, to advocate for themselves, to try to dispel some of that prejudice and misapprehension. The trans movement is in a much earlier stage, not helped by the fact that it’s an even smaller minority and lots of people don’t know anyone trans in their day-to-day lives.

I do sometimes wonder how many straight people on MN, who now say they have no problem with gay people they just have issue with trans people for reasons above, would have been saying similar things about gay people 10 or 20 years back.

’Trans ideology’ is a loose term so I’d want to know more about how you’re defining it. Some trans people are doubtless homophobic, as in my experience are a substantial number of non-trans people. Some trans people won’t agree with ‘trans ideology’. There’s no one trans agenda or trans viewpoint just as there’s no one ‘gay agenda’ (a term that used to get used a lot in the US) or one gay viewpoint.

Fwiw I believe in single-sex spaces such as cis women’s shelters and the right of cis lesbians to have events that are exclusive to them and I’m sceptical about people who have been through male puberty in women’s sports. So I don’t necessarily subscribe to a lot of what you would probably define as ‘trans ideology’. But there is a lot of prejudice about and dehumanisation of trans people on MN and I don’t support that either.

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Let's force team everyone into pseudo religion....
Just no.

This religion is based on offensive gender stereotypes which harm society - particularly women.

Here's the thing - You can't change sex.
Sex is not gender. Conflating them causes harms (including to those who identify as trans)
The concept of being 'born in the wrong body' only works if you believe in concept of souls which is religious in nature.
Being a woman is not 'a feeling'. You either are one or you are not. (The 'intersex argument' is one for the ill-informed)

The religion doesn't work unless you buy into stereotypes. (Or you are a chancer.)

It is NOT the same as being homosexual. Being homosexual is based on sex which isn't a belief. The feelings part of this are based on actual sex not a belief of identity.

Can we please stop repeating this absolute fucking crap. It's offensive on a number of levels.

MargotBamborough · 05/10/2023 20:33

jacksonspring · 05/10/2023 20:03

They are both minority identities that have provoked a lot of prejudice and hatred, with rhetoric sometimes along strikingly similar lines: ‘they’re coming for your children, they want to convert them’. ‘They’re all predators and sexual perverts’. ‘They’re confused, they don’t know who they are. I know who they are better than they do’.

Gay people did a lot of work, over a long period of time, to be visible, to advocate for themselves, to try to dispel some of that prejudice and misapprehension. The trans movement is in a much earlier stage, not helped by the fact that it’s an even smaller minority and lots of people don’t know anyone trans in their day-to-day lives.

I do sometimes wonder how many straight people on MN, who now say they have no problem with gay people they just have issue with trans people for reasons above, would have been saying similar things about gay people 10 or 20 years back.

’Trans ideology’ is a loose term so I’d want to know more about how you’re defining it. Some trans people are doubtless homophobic, as in my experience are a substantial number of non-trans people. Some trans people won’t agree with ‘trans ideology’. There’s no one trans agenda or trans viewpoint just as there’s no one ‘gay agenda’ (a term that used to get used a lot in the US) or one gay viewpoint.

Fwiw I believe in single-sex spaces such as cis women’s shelters and the right of cis lesbians to have events that are exclusive to them and I’m sceptical about people who have been through male puberty in women’s sports. So I don’t necessarily subscribe to a lot of what you would probably define as ‘trans ideology’. But there is a lot of prejudice about and dehumanisation of trans people on MN and I don’t support that either.

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I'm strongly gender critical and I didn't have any issues with trans people 10 or 20 years ago, let alone gay people.

But then, female people were allowed to have their own words, single sex spaces and sports for themselves, which we aren't allowed to have now.

Has it literally never occurred to you that there might be entirely non bigoted reasons for not supporting what are euphemistically termed "trans rights"?

The trans rights lobby certainly haven't done the gay rights movement any favours whatsoever.

Helleofabore · 05/10/2023 20:36

Is this another thread moved to the naughty corner today?

RedToothBrush · 05/10/2023 20:45

jacksonspring · 05/10/2023 20:03

They are both minority identities that have provoked a lot of prejudice and hatred, with rhetoric sometimes along strikingly similar lines: ‘they’re coming for your children, they want to convert them’. ‘They’re all predators and sexual perverts’. ‘They’re confused, they don’t know who they are. I know who they are better than they do’.

Gay people did a lot of work, over a long period of time, to be visible, to advocate for themselves, to try to dispel some of that prejudice and misapprehension. The trans movement is in a much earlier stage, not helped by the fact that it’s an even smaller minority and lots of people don’t know anyone trans in their day-to-day lives.

I do sometimes wonder how many straight people on MN, who now say they have no problem with gay people they just have issue with trans people for reasons above, would have been saying similar things about gay people 10 or 20 years back.

’Trans ideology’ is a loose term so I’d want to know more about how you’re defining it. Some trans people are doubtless homophobic, as in my experience are a substantial number of non-trans people. Some trans people won’t agree with ‘trans ideology’. There’s no one trans agenda or trans viewpoint just as there’s no one ‘gay agenda’ (a term that used to get used a lot in the US) or one gay viewpoint.

Fwiw I believe in single-sex spaces such as cis women’s shelters and the right of cis lesbians to have events that are exclusive to them and I’m sceptical about people who have been through male puberty in women’s sports. So I don’t necessarily subscribe to a lot of what you would probably define as ‘trans ideology’. But there is a lot of prejudice about and dehumanisation of trans people on MN and I don’t support that either.

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Since when did being homosexual encourage healthy bodied people to pump themselves full of drugs, sterilise themselves or mutilate their bodies through unnecessary irreversible surgery with exceptionally high levels of complications?

This is even worse because we can't have conversations about patterns which suggest this is being pushed on people with a disproportionately high level of a history of sexual abuse, a disproportionately high level of neurodiversity, a disproportionately high level of being in the care system, a disproportionately high level of anorexia, a disproportionately high level of being gay and a disproportionately high level of poor mental health. And there are significant concerns about the role of parents in under 18s too - homophobia being a pressure to transition (basically conversion).

And there is zero conclusive evidence it improves long term mental health outcomes. There is however, evidence that teens who transition tend to detransition if they aren't medicalised. But we aren't allowed to talk about detransition cos that's inconvenient and a bit awkward as it doesn't fit this narrative of 'being like being gay'.

Don't force team. It's offensive and shuts down conversations about potential harms being done to vulnerable groups.

It stinks and it's ignorant.

Walkaround · 05/10/2023 20:50

jacksonspring · 05/10/2023 20:03

They are both minority identities that have provoked a lot of prejudice and hatred, with rhetoric sometimes along strikingly similar lines: ‘they’re coming for your children, they want to convert them’. ‘They’re all predators and sexual perverts’. ‘They’re confused, they don’t know who they are. I know who they are better than they do’.

Gay people did a lot of work, over a long period of time, to be visible, to advocate for themselves, to try to dispel some of that prejudice and misapprehension. The trans movement is in a much earlier stage, not helped by the fact that it’s an even smaller minority and lots of people don’t know anyone trans in their day-to-day lives.

I do sometimes wonder how many straight people on MN, who now say they have no problem with gay people they just have issue with trans people for reasons above, would have been saying similar things about gay people 10 or 20 years back.

’Trans ideology’ is a loose term so I’d want to know more about how you’re defining it. Some trans people are doubtless homophobic, as in my experience are a substantial number of non-trans people. Some trans people won’t agree with ‘trans ideology’. There’s no one trans agenda or trans viewpoint just as there’s no one ‘gay agenda’ (a term that used to get used a lot in the US) or one gay viewpoint.

Fwiw I believe in single-sex spaces such as cis women’s shelters and the right of cis lesbians to have events that are exclusive to them and I’m sceptical about people who have been through male puberty in women’s sports. So I don’t necessarily subscribe to a lot of what you would probably define as ‘trans ideology’. But there is a lot of prejudice about and dehumanisation of trans people on MN and I don’t support that either.

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Being gay and being trans are two fundamentally different things. One wants to be accepted for who they are and the other wants to be accepted as something they are not. Society should be more accepting, but not to the point of denying the reality.

comingintomyown · 05/10/2023 20:52

RedToothBrush · 05/10/2023 17:54

I hope I can teach them critical thinking so they are less vulnerable to online and religious cults tbh.

Genderism is a religion. I don't believe in that religion. It's racist, sexist and homophobic.

You can't change sex. No one can. Sex and gender aren't the same thing. Conflating the two does significant harm - so why are non- believers villified for pointing out these harms.

This is a heterosexual couple. A publicity seeking heterosexual couple. Who think they are groundbreakingly special.

Except. They aren't.

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In my actual, you know real life with real people, experience it’s about Gender Dysphoria. It’s not a religion or cult it’s about a human being born that way and actually it can be incredibly sad, isolating when you are just a normal citizen trying to find happiness and acceptance it’s not some fad or bandwagon. Still you and your ilk just keep on with your “critical thinking “, the intelligentsia of UK society.

StarlightLime · 05/10/2023 20:57

Nobody is born in the wrong body, @comingintomyown .
Even Mermaids had to do a u turn on that little piece of bullshit.

comingintomyown · 05/10/2023 21:00

And your actual experience and knowledge of this is what ?

RedToothBrush · 05/10/2023 21:01

comingintomyown · 05/10/2023 20:52

In my actual, you know real life with real people, experience it’s about Gender Dysphoria. It’s not a religion or cult it’s about a human being born that way and actually it can be incredibly sad, isolating when you are just a normal citizen trying to find happiness and acceptance it’s not some fad or bandwagon. Still you and your ilk just keep on with your “critical thinking “, the intelligentsia of UK society.

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Treating gender dysphoria by enabling and encouraging it by allowing people to create a fantasy doesn't 'cure' though. It doesn't address anything.

It's the anorexic encouraged to starve themselves.

People have to come to terms with themselves. Because you can't run away from yourself. You can pretend you have - with clothes or surgery - but those medical complications or body not shaped as male/female in bone structure, height etc still stare back in the mirror. And still can't be ignored if you have a medical issue, for dosage or presentation of symptoms.

Its nonsense. Sorry. But I just don't believe its helpful. And as I say, there's no good evidence supporting it does long term either.

It just harms society in the process.

Walkaround · 05/10/2023 21:02

comingintomyown · 05/10/2023 20:52

In my actual, you know real life with real people, experience it’s about Gender Dysphoria. It’s not a religion or cult it’s about a human being born that way and actually it can be incredibly sad, isolating when you are just a normal citizen trying to find happiness and acceptance it’s not some fad or bandwagon. Still you and your ilk just keep on with your “critical thinking “, the intelligentsia of UK society.

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Yes, it is sad, like it is sad that autistic people have a hard time, and ugly people have a hard time. Society can be cruel and should be more accepting of difference. Pretending the difference is not there by mutilating the meaning of man and woman is not the answer to this problem.

MargotBamborough · 05/10/2023 21:02

comingintomyown · 05/10/2023 20:52

In my actual, you know real life with real people, experience it’s about Gender Dysphoria. It’s not a religion or cult it’s about a human being born that way and actually it can be incredibly sad, isolating when you are just a normal citizen trying to find happiness and acceptance it’s not some fad or bandwagon. Still you and your ilk just keep on with your “critical thinking “, the intelligentsia of UK society.

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Then why do the likes of Stonewall now say that it's not necessary to have gender dysphoria to be trans and want people to be able to get a gender recognition certificate without the need for a medical diagnosis of dysphoria?

NecessaryScene · 05/10/2023 21:02

Its nonsense. Sorry. But I just don't believe its helpful.

And even if it was helpful for an individual, it would still cause harm to others. Other people have rights. Even women.

RedToothBrush · 05/10/2023 21:03

comingintomyown · 05/10/2023 21:00

And your actual experience and knowledge of this is what ?

Because you are either born male or female.

It's a neutral thing.

Born in the wrong body implies a soul.

That's a belief. It's a religious belief.

And as previously mentioned even trans charities have been forced to admit it's harmful bullshit too.

HTH.

comingintomyown · 05/10/2023 21:04

Actually spare me because I’m fairly confident you aren’t Trans and have no actual experience whatsoever so really these and other such opinions are just that opinions based on, well various things I suppose but not actual lived experience.

MargotBamborough · 05/10/2023 21:04

comingintomyown · 05/10/2023 21:04

Actually spare me because I’m fairly confident you aren’t Trans and have no actual experience whatsoever so really these and other such opinions are just that opinions based on, well various things I suppose but not actual lived experience.

How are you defining trans?

jacksonspring · 05/10/2023 21:06

RedToothBrush · 05/10/2023 20:30

Let's force team everyone into pseudo religion....
Just no.

This religion is based on offensive gender stereotypes which harm society - particularly women.

Here's the thing - You can't change sex.
Sex is not gender. Conflating them causes harms (including to those who identify as trans)
The concept of being 'born in the wrong body' only works if you believe in concept of souls which is religious in nature.
Being a woman is not 'a feeling'. You either are one or you are not. (The 'intersex argument' is one for the ill-informed)

The religion doesn't work unless you buy into stereotypes. (Or you are a chancer.)

It is NOT the same as being homosexual. Being homosexual is based on sex which isn't a belief. The feelings part of this are based on actual sex not a belief of identity.

Can we please stop repeating this absolute fucking crap. It's offensive on a number of levels.

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Um, what? Why does the concept of being born in the wrong body require you to believe in souls?

Nowhere in my post did I say that being homosexual is the same as being trans. I said both communities have experienced phobia, and it’s interesting that the phobia has taken some similar forms irrespective of the fact that they are different communities. Might just possibly reflect the fact that some of the phobia reflects the generalised fears and anxieties of the majority community irrespective of which particular minority group they happen to be projecting the fears onto that week.

MargotBamborough · 05/10/2023 21:08

jacksonspring · 05/10/2023 21:06

Um, what? Why does the concept of being born in the wrong body require you to believe in souls?

Nowhere in my post did I say that being homosexual is the same as being trans. I said both communities have experienced phobia, and it’s interesting that the phobia has taken some similar forms irrespective of the fact that they are different communities. Might just possibly reflect the fact that some of the phobia reflects the generalised fears and anxieties of the majority community irrespective of which particular minority group they happen to be projecting the fears onto that week.

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Well what is it that they believe is in the wrong body then, if not something like a soul?

RedToothBrush · 05/10/2023 21:09

comingintomyown · 05/10/2023 21:04

Actually spare me because I’m fairly confident you aren’t Trans and have no actual experience whatsoever so really these and other such opinions are just that opinions based on, well various things I suppose but not actual lived experience.

Sex is not gender.

Transitioning harms both people who identify as trans and people who do not identify as trans.

It is being imposed on others without thought.

It is religious.

If you want to practice your religion that's fine. But don't expect non-believers to support your religion or to capitulate to it if it harms them or to be concerned about the harms being done. Respect my right to be a nonbeliever and be protected from these harms.

My lived experience IS that it's harmful and it's harmed people I care about.