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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gigi gorgeous’s husband is pregnant

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Moneymatters12 · 05/10/2023 16:23

I wasn’t too familiar with with Gigi but I believe she is a trans woman and her husband is a trans man both have retained their anatomy of birth and have undergone IVF to have a child whereby the father (a biological female) be carrying the child.

Im semi GC I guess and don’t agree with having to refer to myself as a person with a vagina, cis and the pushing of pronouns and neo pronouns. But I do believe gender identity to be different (sometimes) from biological sex.

I can imagine this being quite confusing for the child BUT a biological parent is still carrying the child (unlike surrogacy).

this is for discussion not to be hateful to any person or any group

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Ameanstreakamilewide · 05/10/2023 19:05

Gaslighting their own kid.

MargotBamborough · 05/10/2023 19:07

AgathaAllAlong · 05/10/2023 19:01

I don't understand what you don't understand. They wanted a baby. Yeah it was probably weird to be pregnant while hardcore leaning into being a man, but pregancy is shit for loads of people. I absolutely hated the attention and the pregnancy body when I was pregnant and that was mild compared to some people I know. I know women who were told they could die, and they still wanted to be pregnant and have a baby. For many people being distressed by pregnancy is not an insurmountable reason to not have a baby.

You're not "hardcore leaning into being a man" if you're pregnant.

You're hardcore leaning into being a woman.

Moneymatters12 · 05/10/2023 19:08

AgathaAllAlong · 05/10/2023 19:01

I don't understand what you don't understand. They wanted a baby. Yeah it was probably weird to be pregnant while hardcore leaning into being a man, but pregancy is shit for loads of people. I absolutely hated the attention and the pregnancy body when I was pregnant and that was mild compared to some people I know. I know women who were told they could die, and they still wanted to be pregnant and have a baby. For many people being distressed by pregnancy is not an insurmountable reason to not have a baby.

You don’t understand how it might be confusing to an onlooking that if you find being termed a woman so triggering or someone using a female pronoun so triggering that it’s a bit paradoxical to then carry and birth a baby?

when I’ve heard trans people talk of being triggered or dysforic it’s more than merely being distressed

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bigshort · 05/10/2023 19:08

Moneymatters12 · 05/10/2023 16:30

I’m not sure if the define themselves as a heterosexual or straight couple given that they are both trans

Well one is a woman and one is man, and they are a couple. What do you (or they) imagine they are if not hetersexual?

Moneymatters12 · 05/10/2023 19:10

bigshort · 05/10/2023 19:08

Well one is a woman and one is man, and they are a couple. What do you (or they) imagine they are if not hetersexual?

Dunno, don’t know the couple nor follow them, don’t know what they call themselves, maybe it is straight? Dunno

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MargotBamborough · 05/10/2023 19:11

Moneymatters12 · 05/10/2023 19:10

Dunno, don’t know the couple nor follow them, don’t know what they call themselves, maybe it is straight? Dunno

I couldn't care less what they call their relationship, given that both people in it essentially define themselves by calling themselves the opposite of what they are.

I will call it what it objectively is, which is a heterosexual relationship.

Ollifer · 05/10/2023 19:13

OneQuestionBefore · 05/10/2023 17:07

Why didn’t I trust you and not go see for myself!

Yup I did this too 😂 I mean we should be thankful it was scribbled out I guess

AgathaAllAlong · 05/10/2023 19:19

Moneymatters12 · 05/10/2023 19:08

You don’t understand how it might be confusing to an onlooking that if you find being termed a woman so triggering or someone using a female pronoun so triggering that it’s a bit paradoxical to then carry and birth a baby?

when I’ve heard trans people talk of being triggered or dysforic it’s more than merely being distressed

Yeah, I imagine it would carry its own challenges. But this is the quote I was responding to:

This is something I struggle with, too. If your mental health is so harmed by feeling like you are stuck in a body of the wrong sex, how on earth can you bring yourself to get pregnant? How could you not find that disgusting and distressing?

My point is just that lots of people find pregnancy distressing, and do it as an obstacle to be overcome. Obviously some people love being pregnant, as well. I honestly don't struggle with the idea that it might be weird for them, but ultimately worth it on balance.

Walkaround · 05/10/2023 19:19

AgathaAllAlong · 05/10/2023 19:01

I don't understand what you don't understand. They wanted a baby. Yeah it was probably weird to be pregnant while hardcore leaning into being a man, but pregancy is shit for loads of people. I absolutely hated the attention and the pregnancy body when I was pregnant and that was mild compared to some people I know. I know women who were told they could die, and they still wanted to be pregnant and have a baby. For many people being distressed by pregnancy is not an insurmountable reason to not have a baby.

So, it’s a lifestyle choice you can switch on and off, then.

Fleabane · 05/10/2023 19:22

If you hate the fact you're female, it's very odd to choose to carry a pregnancy

OvaHere · 05/10/2023 19:23

Another thread banished from AIBU I see.

AgathaAllAlong · 05/10/2023 19:23

There's a lovely MNetter on here who is a traditionally female looking woman in a relationship with a butch lady, and the partner carried and birthed their daughter. I remember a thread where she commented on how other people's expectations and how being the birthing mum gets tied into female identity being difficult and uncomfortable for them both at times, and people making upsetting comments and assumptions about them and their roles. And that's an actual woman, who is not pretending to be anything else, carrying and giving birth as is normal.

Just to be crystal clear, I'm not saying that being a butch gay lady is like being trans in any way. What I'm saying is that pregnancy and people's perceptions of you as a pregnant person don't always fit neatly and comfortably with your self image. But if you want a baby you just go ahead. I presume that in this one regard something similar applies here.

LoobiJee · 05/10/2023 19:24

This thread was started in AIBU. How come it’s now appeared in feminism after seven pages? Did someone ask for it to be moved?

Folklore9074 · 05/10/2023 19:33

You’re not actually linking to anything. I searched the person you are talking about and I can’t actually see anything about a Gigi gorgeous being part of a pregnant couple on Instagram, so I think you are talking about a hypothetical trans couple. Even if this is based on a real couple, what does it matter? Two people you don’t know and have no idea the lives of are having a child. Happens every day.

Lees be real. You’ve started this thread so you can discuss something that may or may not be true, that you don’t understand anyway. You’re dressing your transphobia up as ‘innocent’ discussion and it’s just not.

OvaHere · 05/10/2023 19:33

LoobiJee · 05/10/2023 19:24

This thread was started in AIBU. How come it’s now appeared in feminism after seven pages? Did someone ask for it to be moved?

I doubt it. All threads on this subject get moved to the naughty corner.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 05/10/2023 19:36

Meh! Attention seeking straight couple have baby.

LoobiJee · 05/10/2023 19:48

OvaHere · 05/10/2023 19:33

I doubt it. All threads on this subject get moved to the naughty corner.

I only glanced at it in AIBU but the thread seemed to me like more of a fit with celebrity gossip. (I assume MN has a celebrity gossip forum, but I haven’t looked.)

Moneymatters12 · 05/10/2023 19:49

Folklore9074 · 05/10/2023 19:33

You’re not actually linking to anything. I searched the person you are talking about and I can’t actually see anything about a Gigi gorgeous being part of a pregnant couple on Instagram, so I think you are talking about a hypothetical trans couple. Even if this is based on a real couple, what does it matter? Two people you don’t know and have no idea the lives of are having a child. Happens every day.

Lees be real. You’ve started this thread so you can discuss something that may or may not be true, that you don’t understand anyway. You’re dressing your transphobia up as ‘innocent’ discussion and it’s just not.

Edited

Well Gigi gorgeous Getty is on Instagram and has made a video about the ivf journey she’s taken with her husband, so no they aren’t hypothetical they are real people, in the public domain. There was a thread on here about Britney Spears not long ago too another person, presumably no one on here knows either.

no, I refute that, sorry I’ve not said anything remotely transphobic or even against the couple themselves. Topics are allowed to be discussed. You can’t just shut it all down by crying transphobia

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direbollockal · 05/10/2023 19:51

Why does everything have to be a fucking journey?

MargotBamborough · 05/10/2023 19:51

Folklore9074 · 05/10/2023 19:33

You’re not actually linking to anything. I searched the person you are talking about and I can’t actually see anything about a Gigi gorgeous being part of a pregnant couple on Instagram, so I think you are talking about a hypothetical trans couple. Even if this is based on a real couple, what does it matter? Two people you don’t know and have no idea the lives of are having a child. Happens every day.

Lees be real. You’ve started this thread so you can discuss something that may or may not be true, that you don’t understand anyway. You’re dressing your transphobia up as ‘innocent’ discussion and it’s just not.

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https://holrmagazine.com/gigi-gorgeous-husband-baby-news-explained/

Google is your friend.

inamarina · 05/10/2023 19:51

minipie · 05/10/2023 16:57

I do think this is noteworthy tbh, not because of “man has baby” but because it undermines the idea that all trans people are horrified and traumatised by their biological bodies and genitals.

You can’t get much more in touch with your female body than being pregnant and giving birth.

Yes, that’s something I don’t understand either. So trans people feel like they were born into the wrong body, but somehow (in the case of some transmen) they‘re absolutely fine with pregnancy, childbirth and breastfeeding.

Naunet · 05/10/2023 19:52

Moneymatters12 · 05/10/2023 16:59

Really interesting… I saw another clip from tick tock of a biological woman (who was living as a man) also got pregnant and gave birth, he said he didn’t find it triggering because giving birth isn’t an inherently female thing and just a biological thing, was interesting

🤣 yeah nothing inherently female (or male) about biology. Remind me again, how do we figure out an animals sex?

MargotBamborough · 05/10/2023 19:54

Naunet · 05/10/2023 19:52

🤣 yeah nothing inherently female (or male) about biology. Remind me again, how do we figure out an animals sex?

There's nothing inherently female about pregnancy and childbirth if you change the definition of the word "female" to mean something else completely. 🙃

inamarina · 05/10/2023 19:57

Moneymatters12 · 05/10/2023 16:59

Really interesting… I saw another clip from tick tock of a biological woman (who was living as a man) also got pregnant and gave birth, he said he didn’t find it triggering because giving birth isn’t an inherently female thing and just a biological thing, was interesting

giving birth isn’t an inherently female thing and just a biological thing

It’s not true though. How often does it happen that a biologically male person gives birth?

Moneymatters12 · 05/10/2023 20:00

inamarina · 05/10/2023 19:57

giving birth isn’t an inherently female thing and just a biological thing

It’s not true though. How often does it happen that a biologically male person gives birth?

therein lies the flaw in that argument (in humans at least)

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