Gigi gorgeous’s husband is pregnant

[Moneymatters12]

I wasn’t too familiar with with Gigi but I believe she is a trans woman and her husband is a trans man both have retained their anatomy of birth and have undergone IVF to have a child whereby the father (a biological female) be carrying the child.

Im semi GC I guess and don’t agree with having to refer to myself as a person with a vagina, cis and the pushing of pronouns and neo pronouns. But I do believe gender identity to be different (sometimes) from biological sex.

I can imagine this being quite confusing for the child BUT a biological parent is still carrying the child (unlike surrogacy).

this is for discussion not to be hateful to any person or any group

Might just possibly reflect...

Or it might just possibly be that Group A objecting to Group B doing C could be objecting to totally different reasons to Group X objecting to Group Y doing Z.

Given that there's no appreciable overlap between A and X, B and Y or C and Z. The only common thing being the objection.

If we're going to claim that every single objection to anything ever is "phobia", then maybe your posting here objecting to us might reflect that your phobia of women has something in common etc...

How about just addressing the actual points rather than trying to divine motives?

So just like men having no experience of being women then. Glad to clear that one up thanks.

There are imagined fears and actual harms. Don't conflate the two here.

It harms my dignity to be forced to share certain spaces with males. It endangers me and there's plenty of evidence of how and by how much. It distresses very vulnerable women who have be abused. It limits opportunities economically and educationally. If you can't see sex you can't see sexism and this massively disadvantages women.

It also often does not benefit the trans group who have very different needs. By virtue of being the opposite sex.

Being trans actually is about men telling women they know what it is to be a woman, and women telling men they know what it is to be a man, despite their biology demonstrating otherwise. Male and female become utterly meaningless drivel as concepts at the point you are allowed to self-identify and can actually, with a straight face, expect society to accept that you are a pregnant man.

Oh FFS I said above I support single-sex spaces, I’m not going to waste my time arguing with someone who doesn’t read what I wrote before taking issue with it.

You can't half way house!

That's the problem.

It's natural for people to try and be nice about it. Cos most people are good people who are well intentioned.

The problem is it ultimately doesn't work in practice because the both line is you can't change sex. And that's what causes the issue. And trying to be nice about it and pretend this isn't a problem does work. I really really wish it did, but it doesn't.

And I've come to this conclusion through my lived experience which is as valid as any one else's.

Whole thread on 'the middle ground' just finished and it comes down to the same issue.

It's a belief that doesn't work on contact with reality and beliefs should be respected but not imposed - and include a right to disagree.

Rights and protections however aren't open to negotiation. And that seems to be the misguided problem.

Yes, a muslim person might believe that women should cover their hair. They are entitled to that belief, however they can't go around imposing that belief on oithers.

Someone else might believe that 'you can be born in the wrong body' (what exactly is born into a body is undefined, soul?), or that humans can pick and choose their sex. You are entitled to your beliefs, but you can't impose them on the rest of society.

Hitler believed that some races were superior to others. It might have remained only a personal distasteful belief, if he had not gone and forced his belief on the rest of German society.

There is much value in society anchored to the truth, and not shaped by belief, it's much safer that way.

I suspect it's Gigi's penis that is scribbled out rather than butt crack.

If his head is pointing in the same direction as his butt crack he's in a fair bit of trouble 🤷🏻‍♀️

What I don't understand is that he obviously used all those amazing filters to make his body look genuine but doesn't change the deep voice. Surely there must be software for that too.

On another note her sperm fertilised his egg, just doesn't sit right at all!!

Not sure what you mean. Gigi is squatting by the side of the pool. Scribble around butt crack but also a bit lower which I assume is for dangling appendages.

Because some people have an acute awareness of how individual actions and behaviours impact on society. This is the stuff of politics. Politics is how we deal with, and regulate, human affairs and how we realise that a lot of what we do is not just a 'private matter' but has wider implications.

Men pretending to be women impacts on everyone - and it will certainly impact upon the child - as they will spend a life time of having to form an identity in a very confused situation and in which non family members will continually make observations and comments.

Yes, a woman has been impregnated by a man.

That they or

Nats Getty identified as a woman when they married and then transitioned afterwards. These are two millionaires who have the funds for the best surgeons in the world and they still chose to not have bottom surgery. So GIogi still has a penis and Nats has a vagina. Surely that says something about them not wanting to go through the surgery and all its side effects? That we should tell young people this?

Im all for people being and dressing and doing what they want and loving who they want, which is what these two people are doing. They should be shown to be making a stand that bottom surgery isn’t needed and is damaging. That you can be who you want to be without painful deforming surgery.

Sorry, haven't looked at the picture (🤮). I assumed it was in a standing position.

What about all the cosmetic surgery though...

They still remain male and female with a shit ton of work done.

Pretending to be the opposite sex.

Rather than having the guts to say, I'm just going to dress like this and be a man / woman.

They want to fit the gender stereotypes rather than break them. And that has implications.

It also highlights that puberty matters.
Everyone - and specifically trans activists - should consider that there is a massive cost associated with puberty blockers and or early transitioning. And INFORM people about this issue.

You can´t inseminate your partner if you´ve never produced viable sperm (either still producing or stored it).
And you can´t be impregnated and carry your child if you don´t have a womb. And you will be dependent on egg donation if your ovaries never matured enough to harvest your eggs (or aren´t functioning adequately).

That may not seem like a big deal to many children, teenagers and young adults. But that point of view may very well change later in life.

I completely agree with you both. That’s what I’m trying to say.

That maybe the way to speak to young people wanting full puberty blockers and top and bottom surgery is to say to them to look at these super rich trans people. They saw the best doctors in the world and decided not to have surgery ans it does not have old outcomes and still retain functioning genitals so you can do the same. Maybe it’s a way to get through to some teenagers who are pressurised to have surgery. That you can be who you want to be without surgery and hormones.

My dad's prostate cancer was caught early enough because he was being regularly tested due to his own father having had it. This testing system relies on people knowing their family history. Are these trans parents' identity fantasies going to extend to obfuscating medical facts like this?

One's a man,one's a woman,the man impregnated the woman.

I don’t see how it remotely helps to tell young people who think they are stuck in a body of the wrong sex that they can go so far as to mutilate their breasts, have extensive plastic surgery and take pills all their lives, so long as they leave their vagina or penis intact, just like a couple of millionaires.

I don't understand why a trans man would want to be pregnant and I also don't understand how they can have PIV as it means acknowledgement of the 'woman' having a penis and the man having a 'vagina'

Which is one reason I have no time for the whole thing.

It isn't "living as a man" if you run off to get pregnant. Getting pregnant and having a baby is an experience shared by members of one group of people only: women.

Not all women have babies but only women have babies.

I'm not going to pretend that men get pregnant, ever.