How do we find a middle ground?

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How do we find a place where it’s ok to say we believe their are transsexual people (in my lifetime it’s always been around and as far as I am aware not particularly fought against/prevented people accessing services/given equal rights) generally these people (who I totally support and would advocate for) appeared to me to want to go under the radar and just live their lives. I’d have NO issues sharing a bathroom with these people.

What shifted? Why is it now a case that we are bullied into accepting a man (with a beard who in every way looks and acts like a man) as a woman?

I thought in the 90s we accepted that what you wear, your hobbies, who you slept with and career choice did not define you. I was never girlie, wore boys jeans but at no point did I think I was a boy or prevented progressing my life.

We now have men that define themselves as women by going backwards in stereotypes, basically the clothes define the man.

The levels of irony baffle me ‘sex doesn’t exist, but if I wear heels I’m a woman’ ‘don’t assume or judge, but if you don’t assume correctly I’ll punch you’ and my favourite ‘I’m a non-binary lesbian’

The ironic thing is (and sorry if this offends anyone) I never coined myself as a feminist. I genuinely thought the previous amazing women had won the war, I earned equally or out earned my male counterparts, I never felt being a women provided me different opportunities to my brother, if anything maybe a tiny advantage.

But now I feel that all that has been pointless and at 41 I’ve become a feminist because I NEED too. Is this not such a rewind in society. I was genuinely a little nervous today at taking a book to the counter (material girls) a bloody (amazing) book, but a book.

How do we rationalise this?

Sorry for the long post but I am genuinely lost at the next steps to take.

Go via Manchester. Its more scenic and interesting.

You could probably port Picadilly-Picadilly using a Sassenach Converter.

More DARVO.

So, politicising someone's protected characteristic is deemed to be quite ok now by goes . Even mischaracterising it.

We don't though understand racist at all. Just like we obviously don't understand about misogyny and agism, and ableism, and homophobia, I guess.

Now we come to the 'anti-trans' accusations.

No. Most of us on this thread are feminists. We are not 'anti-trans'. Some of us even have trans people in our lives that we love and care for.

This is such a lazy accusation and it really does show your extreme prejudice at this stage. It relies on people believing that feminists have not been making suggestions that would be good solutions for both female people, of all genders, and those male people who are trans.

It also relies on people without an understanding of feminism.

Feminists continue to campaign and work to ensure that all female people, regardless of their gender identity, have the sex based protections that they need for their safety and protection, and for their progress away from oppression.

So, only misogynistic extreme trans activists use the term 'anti-trans' when describing feminists and women's rights campaigners.

We are not out of our depth. Far from it. You seem to be existing in some alternative reality at the moment where you believe you have won something today. You continue to celebrate your imagined winnings.

You have just show all readers that you lack the understanding of feminism now.

Or the truly bizarre version where only disused stations are allowed. This would be the best fit for Thunderer as it would reflect a total unreality.

GC polari

oooo I love disused tube stations. they are fascinating.

There are tours you can do in Glasgow, Red!

https://www.worldabandoned.com/botanic-gardens

I really do need to go on one. I've been itching to do it for years.

Well, I believe there is a post about pegging in the Advance Search....

It’s really funny how you drop in all sorts of cod-psychoanalytic terms - darvo - lolz.

It's really funny how you don't understand feminism.

And by funny I mean, totally understandable

Which blackboard is used to chalk up these wins and losses?

Who does the chalking?

Anyway, Goadee was amusing for a while there, but then it reached a point where I just got really bored and the last 10 Pages I haven’t bothered reading Goads’ posts at all, only the replies.

Well, 5/10 for effort, all the bingo-cues were covered and then some. but the pudding got over-egged at the vindaloo point.

Slightly disappointed to be honest. It had some promise.

Well done to the ladies. Well played, and I must say I was impressed by the bigly letters. You done Boiled proud, @Helleofabore !
💐🌟

Two spirit

https://culturallyboundgender.wordpress.com/2013/03/09/toward-an-end-to-appropriation-of-indigenous-two-spirit-people-in-trans-politics-the-relationship-between-third-gender-roles-and-patriarchy/

I gave up the will at shitting man to be honest.

So can i applaud those who are still batting away at this absolute nonsense I know you are doing it for the benefit of lurkers.

"It’s really funny how you" don't understand anything about women and girls.

”It’s really funny how you” don't understand that women don't leave their prams and pushchairs locked outside a cubicle.

”It’s really funny how you” think that people will take any notice of your comments after you nominated that 100+ girls and women are considered acceptable to be sexually abused PER YEAR and in an established trend before laws should be changed to protect them from all male people.

”It’s really funny how you” don't have a clue about safeguarding processes and believe that a person who discusses safeguarding processes wouldn't discuss male fetishes.

”It’s really funny how you” don't seem to have understood the cultural elements that you have attempted to leverage.

”It’s really funny how you” believe that politicising people's protected characteristics is not harmful and should be acceptable behaviour.

”It’s really funny how you” you cannot provided any evidence that male people at any stage of their transition have a reduced risk of committing a sex offence.

”It’s really (not) funny how you” tell women on other threads that male people are lesbians if those male people say so.

Shall I keep going?

Troll away and lell your snide attitude.

oh... here is another

”It’s really funny how you” have no sexual boundaries and seem to be determined that no female should have any boundaries at all that exclude special male people.

”It’s really funny how you” are so prejudiced about women who disagree with you.

”It’s really funny how you” don't seem to understand so much of what you actually post.

Thanks Turbo!

100+ GIRLS AND WOMEN ARE ACCEPTABLE COLLATERAL TO BE SEXUALLY HARMED EACH YEAR UNTIL SOCIETY SHOULD BAN ALL MALES FROM FEMALE SINGLE SEX SPACES!

Here is another one

POSTER HAS NO BOUNDARIES AROUND SEXUAL ACTIVITIES AND DOESN’T RESPECT OTHER’S BOUNDARIES AT ALL. PARTICULARLY GIRL'S AND WOMEN'S.

I think the goal is to close down an interesting and informative discussion, by means of tediously provocative derail which gets the thread rapidly to 40 pages, and closes it. There’s a pattern.

I love abandoned buildings. I've got some awesome photos from previous holidays abroad which other people will go wtf did you go there for.

I think I must just like abandoned places tbh.

There’s a pattern.

There is. And as long as even one lurker clocks that, then I'm happy.

Swimming pools get me. And hotels.