How do we find a middle ground?

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How do we find a place where it’s ok to say we believe their are transsexual people (in my lifetime it’s always been around and as far as I am aware not particularly fought against/prevented people accessing services/given equal rights) generally these people (who I totally support and would advocate for) appeared to me to want to go under the radar and just live their lives. I’d have NO issues sharing a bathroom with these people.

What shifted? Why is it now a case that we are bullied into accepting a man (with a beard who in every way looks and acts like a man) as a woman?

I thought in the 90s we accepted that what you wear, your hobbies, who you slept with and career choice did not define you. I was never girlie, wore boys jeans but at no point did I think I was a boy or prevented progressing my life.

We now have men that define themselves as women by going backwards in stereotypes, basically the clothes define the man.

The levels of irony baffle me ‘sex doesn’t exist, but if I wear heels I’m a woman’ ‘don’t assume or judge, but if you don’t assume correctly I’ll punch you’ and my favourite ‘I’m a non-binary lesbian’

The ironic thing is (and sorry if this offends anyone) I never coined myself as a feminist. I genuinely thought the previous amazing women had won the war, I earned equally or out earned my male counterparts, I never felt being a women provided me different opportunities to my brother, if anything maybe a tiny advantage.

But now I feel that all that has been pointless and at 41 I’ve become a feminist because I NEED too. Is this not such a rewind in society. I was genuinely a little nervous today at taking a book to the counter (material girls) a bloody (amazing) book, but a book.

How do we rationalise this?

Sorry for the long post but I am genuinely lost at the next steps to take.

“Politicising” is just your descriptor. Yet you make out it’s some awful offence. You don’t really seem to understand what racism is at all. It’s always the same with your guys. Once you can no longer cut and paste anti trans responses you’re all out of your depth.

Wait, which rules? In Nidd?

HAUD ME BACK BABES.

I'll need to put on my waterproofs, first.

One maybe sceptical the first time they see it. But when you've seen it repeated over, and over, it's glaringly obvious.

Some sort of GC of insider language here

if thunder is getting a supply out of this, it's massively outweighed by other people's enlightenment, in my opinion.

I think we jumped that shark at the education stage, with the idea of thousands of women regularly eating vindaloo and there being more empty cubicles available in the ladies than the gents.

We tripped into fantasy la la land. And goaders with boners.

All you have to do is point it out once. Once its seen it can't be unseen.

The logic here is that everything is a fantasy and reality can be talked over and women bullied and pushed and told they are 'losers' or 'less than' in someway REPEATEDLY. And that in itself is a power trip and the kick.

You don't need to feed it repeatedly.

Serious first nation anthropologists are fairly insistent that there is no evidence there were ever female two-spirit people. Inasmuch as the idea of 'two spirit people' existed at all (it was rare and is largely a sentimental makey-up by TRAs in recent decades) it was a way of ensuring scarce resources could be retained for the most important people (heterosexual males) and the idea of increasing the status of females was not in the mix. I bookmarked the papers somewhere. dunno where

Dear undecided lurkers - see how these guys don’t even know what racism is, so clearly they can’t be relied upon to have anything sensible to say about social issues.

Sqqquuuuaaarkkkkkk.

There’s an awful lot of very credible academic literature that disagrees with that

Faster... frantic... frisson... frotting...

Prove it @GodessOfThunder.

egg vindaloo?

Let's also remember that Prime Minister Tuilaepa Sailele Malielegaoi from Samoa was very clear that fa'afafine are also male and always male. That Samoa did not consider them female for sporting events. Despite extreme trans activists who like to leverage these cultural elements into convincing readers that some males should be allowed to access female single sex spaces.

are you….?

The logic here is that everything is a fantasy and reality can be talked over and women bullied and pushed and told they are 'losers' or 'less than' in someway REPEATEDLY. And that in itself is a power trip and the kick.

Yep. All the 'I wins' and the you don't know what you're talking abouts.

Really pathetic. God only knows what goes through these peoples brains if their goal is to convince women to let men into their spaces. The breathless boundary pushing on this thread alone is enough to demolish that argument.

Escalation continues.

Yap yap yap

Traditional ISIHAC I think. With challenges but without the witty side bars.

There’s an awful lot of very credible academic literature that disagrees with that

Well, I'll wait until we have established which version we are using. Things got tricky after 1974's Equinoctial Amendments, if I recall correctly.

Haha!

"You have to let men in because I disagree with women about racism"

And I thought shitting vindaloo man was a low point.

Posted too soon - was a quote from our resident goader. My quote was from the Indian health service, who seem to me to be very likely to have an accurate take on the matter.

I preferred the 1994 Parabolic Hyperboloid rules.

We could go for Zone 1 only which rules out Bethnal Green.