Roisin Murphy

[WarriorN]

Is it true? Did did say this?

"Puberty blockers ARE FUCKED! Big pharma laughing all the way to the bank!"

A female relative hit university about 20 years ago, ready to join the socialist group and lasted a term, concluding they were all sexist misogynists.

Though I think a socialist publication or socialist group recently showed that it did stand up for women? Iirc.

Momentum is/ was a problem

For me, as a male I can't even begin to imagine the terror for women of this detour. I can only register it. My skin in the game, the thing that gets my juices going, is how free speech and politics and rights, affiliations, and regarding history, are affected.

So, I'm having to reassess everything. From how my side the Conservatives won't conserve, to how the Left's championing of women historically is a total misreading by me. And how the New Atheists were never about truth, but all about alpha male games, brownie points, tribal anti moralism.

To realise women were never at the centre of, and easily jettisoned by every power bloc in society, is for me really jarring, and tbh I'm only starting to reconcile the enormity of this.

Yeah I mean the Far Left are quite good at PR (although not much else). Sexism and misogyny is well engrained into socialism (as is racism - just see what Karl Marx had to say about Black people in his letters to Engels. It ain't pleasant).

Contrary to the re-writing of history, women had a dreadful time in USSR (the only true, and utterly failed, socialist experiment, although some socialists try to disavow it for some reason - maybe the mass suffering, oppression and genocide?). State funded child care was dreadful, gynaecology was dreadful, femicide and DV was off the charts - so much so that the USSR Government had to do a public poster campaign in the 60s/70s/80s practically BEGGING men to stop getting drunk and beating up their wives and children. No I am not joking. This really happened.

The modern left pretends that women's rights in the UK were mainly won by Labour / the Left, when actually they were hard won by FEMINISTS (many of whom were not remotely left wing, some were) whilst socialist beta males told them to stop screeching about women's rights as the priority was the socialist revolution.

This is what Andrew Dworkin was told, and it was being parroted as late as 2019 by middle class cosplayer literal communist Ash Sarkar.

Think and read independently, don't be fooled. I enjoy your posts on these issues.

Appreciate the compliment. Tbh, I'm kinda synthesizing a lot of stuff I've read peripheral to the subject which is successfully giving me a handle. I've tried hard to resist conspiratorial thinking (evil rushing in to fill a spiritual hole left by Christianity, and Soros/Schwab NWO march thru the institutions), and for me, realising that I have fake memory syndrome on the past few decades has been jarring, but then illuminating as I recalibrate older experiences into a working theory for assessing why we are where we are, and then personal tactics to deal with.

Quite how I thought the Left were all caring and sharing on women's rights, and the Right believed fully in free speech and conserving stuff.

No, women have had to work independently within a Labour movement that saw the march of history as men stepping on other men, small periods of enough bandwidth to get stuff like abortion rights over the line.

And a Tory party more invested in internecine battles between, yes men again, as they went about austerity and Brexit.

But to realise that Sod's Law (Murphy's Law in Ireland) of women never being centred is now exponentially worse as the TRA contingents in both parties prevail (Labour demonstrably worse, but still inbuilt in the modern Tory party), that male predominant outlook is fully visible once again, however not the Alpha Males of the past, but the Beta Cucks, enabled by higher caste luxury high worth belief Transmaidens on both sides, but critically backing up Labour male activist objectives, is very scary indeed.

I don't think this is a conspiracy theory. Far from my recent opinion that women had it made recently, it seems if this was ever true it was fleeting and transitory, and men are re establishing the whip hand. From Andrew Tate radicalisation of men, Incel territory, masked Beta Cucks breathing down Helen Joyce and KJK necks, to unmasked Beta Cucks and transmaidens in Left parties across the West recomposing misogyny, now with a progressive twist. And Conservatives asleep at the wheel, happy to kowtow for an easy life, or Beta Cucks here in the party pushing more the libertarian line that you can be anything you want to be (chief rightist cuck here is Tom Hardwood), and a truly weaponised Queer take from the Right (hi, Crispin Blunt).

..News just in

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12505469/Roisin-Murphy-lands-biggest-chart-success-career.html

..And there's more..

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/roisin-murphy-album-hit-parade-puberty-blocker-trans-b2409298.html

Another successful boycott! 😁

She's a great singer/what a great album/look how high she's charted
...but...but...BUT
...she's a transphobe, there's a stain, controversy, despite puberty blockers comments.

They just can't leave her alone, every elite and ally/captured commentator, just feels compelled to be snide, to snipe, to give qualified "praise", to say that despite her art, she's deep down a bad person.

Its instructive to look at the level of capture here, cap doffing to the cultural boss class.

Yes, this is what this is. The Boss used to be fought against by the Left. The NME and it's like railed against corporations, rock stars fat on drugs and groupies, Thatcher, the bosses.

The music media had some counter cultural verve in slating the real sinners of the day.

Today? They bow and scrape at the feet of the record labels, yes, even big pharma, Biden and the woke Democrats, the social media giants.

And a big part is media and individual "journalists" acknowledging their fealty to the higher castes by hatchet jobs on the likes of Róisín.

The fact she's a woman makes the roasting ever more delicious and meaningful to those who insist on sacrifice.

Woo hoo!!!

I like the Mail's description.

"Ms Murphy was barracked by activists"

Good article, good advertising. I have been streaming the album all day. I like it. I had not heard of her previously.

@Needmoresleep

Wecome to the audience - what a time to be joining !

I also like the Mail's headline. That's a right 'get it up yees' if ever I saw one.

Just been doing a bit of catching up on this thread. I felt I ought to read it properly after wedging in my Peter Tatchell post! I haven't tried to post a new thread yet but will do so if I see anything interesting to update on that one. So far, the world of Tatchell seems quiet...

I saw the Mail article on Roisin. Even though it's a good news story, my takeaway was that her album was doing really well, despite her calling "trans children" messed up. I've not seen the Mail embrace the idea of a trans child before. For example, this paragraph:

Ms Murphy was barracked by activists after she branded puberty blockers 'f' on her private Facebook page and appearing to call trans children 'little mixed-up kids'.

Also, I was expecting to see some facts about the NHS and their view on puberty blockers. In general, the Mail has been balanced on all of this. Yes, saying that about the Mail still brings a wry smile to my face. It just didn't feel like it covered the whole story.

Anyway, it's great news that she's doing so well. #IStandWithRoisin(JustNotInFlipFlops😁)

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2023/0909/1404418-roisin-murphy-journeys-to-the-outer-reaches-of-weird/

Great review here.

'Hit Parade is a lot of love and a lot of fun and whether you #standwithroisinmurphy or not, it would be a shame not to dance with her.'

Great review there, Arabella - and very interesting to compare it to the Guardian review, which seemed desperate to keep crediting DJ Koze for the album’s brilliance (in between scolding the ‘tainted’ Roisin).

Was going to post a link about the good sales numbers but you were all ahead of me! 👏

Another review with a comment underneath that it was written before Roisin's puberty blocker comments:

https://www.clashmusic.com/reviews/roisin-murphy-hit-parade/

Let's hope someone is employed to go through all the music magazines and columns to put similar warnings under all those albums about the sexual abuse of girls under the age of consent, domestic violence and other actual crimes as opposed to a point of view which is in accordance with most mainstream medical opinion across most of Europe.

This is from a few weeks ago.. If you just read that last line, in black and white, it looks nasty but can you hear her say it ?

https://www.documentjournal.com/2023/08/roisin-murphy-new-album-hit-parade/

Warning : contains truth.

I don't think the (severe and unseen) ramifications of the collapse of Christianity is a conspiracy btw. I'm not saying that Christianity is all based on absolute truth, nor that it has always been used for good, BUT it did provide a basis for human behaviour and policy-making in the West based on the fundamental Christian beliefs of equality before the eyes of God, virtue being more important than strength or wealth, forgiveness and tolerance, and the sanctity of life. I don't think many people realise that these are Christian beliefs and don't pertain in every culture (eg caste system in India does NOT rank all people equal before God). A lot of people complacently assume these are just 'Western' beliefs, but they are not, they are based on a faith and if enough of us let go of the vestigial memory of that faith, or childishly focus on some of the 'bad' out comes from Christianity, then it's easy to start letting go of those beliefs.

(Full disclosure I am Serbian Orthodox, I don't believe in the Bible literally, like the Koran it must be read within its cultural and historical context, but I do read the Gospels because I genuinely find them to be full of useful, important and fundamentally true guidance on how to live a happy, fulfilled and purposeful life. Especially in these confusing and angry times.)

I have been listening to Hit Parade in the car. It'll take a few listens to begin to get to know it - very layered, textured and inventive. Quite spacey and ... IDK but I think there's a kind of searching and reaching through it. It's more thoughtful than thumpy, for the most part.

I wish I knew how to turn the bass down, though. The boy racer I got the car off has it turned up so I high I nearly had an out of body experience when 'You Knew' started playing.

'I’m either inputting or outputting, I don’t give myself any time in between. There’s a dissonance on the album like there is in the world, a feeling of paradise interrupted, paradise with some white noise in the background, always reminding you that everything has fallen apart.'

Yep, definitely hear that.

I hope Roisin is able to give herself a bit of time, though.

'Róisín is setting a precedent to be followed for decades to come'

Yes, this is the long haul.

Conspiratorial is maybe not the best word. But I'm minded to think that these things are best described in complex psychological terms. Rather than simpler labels.

I still remain a humanist, and part of the good of this is that as a species we tend to altruism, and work best in groups. Yes, I know how awful humans are, and we can be very selfish and solitary as well.

One aspect of "altruistic group dynamics" is the religious drive to do good. But of course, Nazism also saw itself as a group doing the only thing that was right.

I also see wokeism at play within this concept. Now group dynamics is the herd, and the herd is moving in one direction re the current trend for social justice.

That altruism? Now laser focussed as purity spirals. You gotta put down the other side to maintain the good the herd is doing. Right now, the vast vast majority of those in the Twitter pile on directed to Róisín after her comments would have felt the inner glow of fighting the good fight.

Indeed, I believe even if the West had stayed the uniform Christian country of the UK up to 50s, today we'd still have a woke takeover of institutions as charity would be strong action to step on fossil fuels, fight for George Floyd and protect the pure and innocent trans child.

One of my thoughts is that woke and TRA is so successful because it taps BOTH into the greater good aspect of Christianity AND ALSO is invested by post modern desire to destroy rules and boundaries. It even informs the majority of atheists who are less non believers in god, and more anti Christian moralism. Woke and trans are the opposite of old school moralism, and today's moralists are not the Christians of old, but the GCs of today, you can't change sex, it's wrong to medicalise teens, both statements are viewed as judgemental, and woke/trans/new atheism has no truck with anyone who doesn't fully hold up the declared authentic self of individuals.

One could say it's an evolution of a big strand of Christianity coopted into atheist post modern deconstructivism. And does that make it tough to counter.

Mmmm I wouldn't entirely agree with your assessment. Firstly I don't think humans naturally tend to altruism, mammals just don't really work that way. Hominids definitely cooperated within small groups as a means to survival, sure. But we have always been utterly vicious to 'out groups', outsiders.

Young chimps will patrol the boundaries of the group's area and if any chimps who are not part of that tribe approach, they will tear the outsider apart. Literally. Tear the outsider apart. Humans inherited this vicious in-group / out-group mentality and we see it in early hominid scapegoat ritual behaviours (which are now repeated in social media 'cancellations').

Christianity on the other hand specifically sought to override the in-group / out-group mentality by emphasisng our common humanity. This is why the Gospel writers show Christ consorting with Samaritans (BIG enemy of the Israelites) and other known societal scapegoats of the time such as tax collectors, thieves and prostitutes. The Gospel writers were attempting to show that tribalism is wrong because we are ALL equal before God, no matter how 'sinful' we may appear to be. That was an incredibly controversial stance at the time. It still is, really. 'Judge not, lest ye be judged'? That's an incredibly hard lesson. Roisin Murphy and JK Rowling certainly got judged.

In that sense, Humanism as a philosphy is basically Christianity without the founding myths. Even some of the great Humanists admitted it (and Nietchze, not a humanist but a very perceptive man, stated this outright).

A Christian based society would not protect the pure and innocent trans kid as you put it, because Christianity empaasises the communitarian impulse as being the trait human beings should cultivate. Trans ideology on the other hand is very much based on aggressive individualism - I decide what I am and YOU must accept it and kow tow to it even if it degrades your rights. In that sense, trans ideology is actually closer to Crowleyist satanism, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" (as opposed to the more gentle Wiccan creed "An it harm no one, do what you will").

Also the Christian tradition strongly resists damaging / mutilating the body (see the controversial Pauline letters on circumcision and his teachings around that) so the medicalisation and surgery of trans kids would definitely be out.

I wish I knew how to turn the bass down, though. The boy racer I got the car off has it turned up so I high I nearly had an out of body experience when 'You Knew' started playing.

😆😂🤣

I think that's probably how it's supposed to be played?!