Roisin Murphy

[WarriorN]

Is it true? Did did say this?

"Puberty blockers ARE FUCKED! Big pharma laughing all the way to the bank!"

How do you find out if you are on Shinigami Eyes?

@BonfireLady Creating new threads works for me, try it again?

The Tatchell thing was mentioned on the 'general' thread in this folder. It's kinda blackly humourous, isn't it?

Sally is very much embarrassing her university there.

Very interesting post @VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia about class / caste system and the ways and means the elites find to exclude annoying interlopers like JKR , Glinner and the like. The class system is so multi layered and complex isn't it , compared to eg the USA?

Was just reading the thread about the Bloomsbury Group and their polymorphously perverse adventures. Woolf was a feminist, no doubt , but also a terrific snob. I wonder where they would have stood on trans. Very much doubt Virginia would have considered a liason with a tw but I imagine she and the others would have been signed up in theory?

Lots of ' progressives' back then were big fans of eugenics. Marie Stopes cut her own son off because he married a girl who needed to wear glasses. Perhaps the new iteration likewise consider themselves the vanguard of some new Homo Superior.

I don't know. It feels like they've lost the capacity for embarrassment at this point.

You appear to be implying that you are male. If that’s the case, maybe you could consider posting a little more selectively? I hope that I, another male, will have it gently pointed out to me if I take up too much space in a women’s forum. While I hope to be supportive, I try to remember that any expertise I have has been learned by reading the opinions of the women here.

Identity is a private, internal construct. Anyone can undergo changes to their feelings of self at any point - but that doesn't automatically mean that the world and its mother has to confirm and validate those feelings.

I saw Roisin live last night in a very small venue and she was amazing.
The crowd seemed extra supportive and there were gay men and women (and at least one trans) people in the audience.
I just hope venues don't buckle and cancel bookings due to bullying pressure.

@Transparent2

Hi, yes indeed- I'm a man (OMG !) Obviously, there is going to come a point where it's time for me to be on my way - and this may be it. I'd like think I've made a contribution.

That said, I'd also like to remind us all that I arrived in here at a moment when this thread was all there was out there, if you wanted a sensible conversation about what was going on. Being aghast at what had happened did appear to be only qualification required of participants.

Going forward, I'd like to think that @deydododatdodontdeydo 's observation that this audience is mixed - and supportive - still holds, despite the efforts of some interest groups, to assert themselves over others by way of the dark forces of cancel culture.

More power to your elbow and I'll see you in the audience.

Erm Biff, why as a man do you need to move on? Surely the same would apply to me.

Oh wonderful!

that I arrived in here at a moment when this thread was all there was out there, if you wanted a sensible conversation about what was going on

Oh really? Is this your first mn experience? And was this the only sensible conversation?

From my pov, no need to push off at all; the issue of PBs overlaps feminist analysis but is on its own a medical issue in relation to children, no matter their sex. This is one of the few places we can discuss it with broad intelligence and the sharing of good information has been vital.

All I'd say is that pretty much everyone on mn has at some point had their arses handed to them on a plate.

Yes, FWR as the board once was, is a feminist space. So worth being mindful. We did in the past have thoughtful TW posting.

I didn’t mean to offend Biffology. I just felt that I had seen rather a lot of posts all of a sudden, and that he was in danger of dominating discussions. He can come to the conclusion that there is something worth reflecting on, or completely disagree with me, his choice. Personally I feel that all men on MN would be well advised to try to leave plenty of space for women.

Thanks for your self awareness, Transparent.

Of course men visit this board, and often offer useful contributions.

But it is and always should be a woman-centred board. It's the feminist board on a website called Mumsnet.

Consideration and awareness of that is always appreciated.

I'm happy as a man to bow out a lot more, and just read. I did originally feel when I joined. that male-specific observations would be of interest or help, maybe I was a little full of myself, lol. Indeed my first thread got quite a few mansplaining comments, that was quite the shock. Can't talk for Biffology, obviously.

@WarriorN

Yes - for our sins, I couldn't find anything else. Let's not forget that this thread began at that moment where the mob was at its nastiest and that sense of common purpose and trust was under threat. Roisin was away fishing and even Brendan O' Neill had yet to get involved.. : )

So a collective pat-on-the-back to all those mothers out there who decided that that it was necessary to invent this thread. It might be an idea to set up a women-only area to discuss what I've mentioned - and you won't see me in there. But if there's things we can do together, to challenge these trends, I'm in.

It's just a shame that there's such a dearth of all in spaces for this discussion to happen. Even on Mumsnet, which is the only place I know of where openly GC commentary is allowed, it's only under the feminist umbrella. I'd be very happy to see everyone from all views have a space to talk.

Biff, I'm not sure if you need to be too contrite. As a man, I've intermittently been asked by women here not to mansplain, and that this is a women's fight that men by definition can't help with.

The way I see it is, this is probably right. Its a feminist space and men can't be feminists (not so inconsistent with men can't be women), and I don't want in any way to trample any sensitivities.

I've also been meaning to preserve my mental headspace a little more, part of that also means posting less. I've found my time on MN really therapeutic, a bit educational in that my male side loves to explain, have got a real feel for the issue from the women exasperatedly commenting, and have tentatively made a good friend.

But if it's genuinely a women's space, then I'm exiting the side door, and will keep looking in with great interest.

See my last post. Looks like it's back to my alpha male hobby forums where the men all think TRA and MRA and TMAW and AMAB are audio and beer related acronyms.

MN is a feminist board, if this means men need to keep more to the margins, so be it. I've had that suggested to me more than once after posts from me.

@RealityFan I’m now somewhat regretting having commented. I wasn’t suggesting that men, whether they are called Biffology, RealityFan or Transparent2, should stop posting altogether. It was examples of half a dozen successive posts from the same man, or what seemed to me to be something approaching a takeover of a thread by men. Both you and Biffology are perfectly capable of helpful comments. My intention was to ask, without blame, for men to deliberately hold back a bit from posting at every single opportunity. In real life I tend to talk too much, so I’m maybe over sensitive in places like MN, where I can type a comment and then decide not to post it, whereas in real life I’ve already spoken.

The audience have proven, by attending the shows, buying the records and posting on socials, that they aren't on board with that 'cancellation'. That is excellent news. No individual person can form a crowd.

As @ArabeIIaScott mentions, this is, when all's said and done, a space for women and the feminist argument against cancelling Roisin is liable to be the most powerful one.

I'm going to need to know what that turns out to be - but I'm under no illusions about that needing to be a 'by women, for women' enterprise.

For my part, as a man, I need an argument of my own, that dove-tails with the feminist one - no inconsistencies for the Grauniad, or others, to start trying to drive buses through - so, to that end, we needed to get those ducks in a row.

But since it appears that a significant proportion of the people who have been behind this attempted cancellation are men, I'm interested to explore what it is about them, that makes them do the equivalent of saying 'I'm a man but I identify as a mother' and taking things from there...

But since it appears that a significant proportion of the people who have been behind this attempted cancellation are men, I'm interested to explore what it is about them, that makes them do the equivalent of saying 'I'm a man but I identify as a mother' and taking things from there...

Misogyny, innit.

That's a good suggestion. For my part, I launched a thread 5 minutes after registering with MN, and my first comments were "oh, here comes another man", and I spent my first moments here defending myself that I wasn't a mansplainer.

On another thread I was told to stop replying because I was taking up the oxygen, and when I stood my ground, that I was defacto bullying as a man.

I kinda bristled at these, but get it now.

I have been meaning to post less, I'm not sure the male free speech champion POV has much to add to the female rights being erased by trans substance which forms the basis of MN here.

@Transparent2

Don't worry, mate - the conversation has provided us with an opportunity to take stock. You're quite right, I'm wanting to get the bit between my teeth and nail the arguments. That's going to look a bit '?' at times. But I'm not stopping other people from contributing. Perhaps that idea, of a man instructing women what they should think, is at the heart of all of this situation ?