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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

France - women only lesbian groups banned from Pride events

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ArabeIIaScott · 20/06/2023 10:17

https://reduxx.info/france-female-only-lesbian-groups-barred-from-pride-month-events-over-transphobia/

'A female-only lesbian advocacy group in France was excluded from their local Pride parade on the basis that they did not allow the membership of trans-identified males. Femmes Entre Elles was labeled “transphobic” for restricting its advocacy to issues faced by women.
Femmes Entre Elles, which translates to “Women Among Themselves,” is a single-sex association for lesbian and bisexual women that has operated for over 30 years. It has been involved in campaigns to support women’s sex-based rights and the rights of lesbian women.
But on May 27, the group was informed via email that they were not welcome to participate in the annual Pride march in Rennes'

FRANCE: Female-Only Lesbian Groups Barred From Pride Month Events Over "Transphobia" - Reduxx

A female-only lesbian advocacy group in France was excluded from their local Pride parade on the basis that they did not allow the membership of trans-identified males. Femmes Entre Elles was labeled “transphobic” for restricting its advocacy to issues...

https://reduxx.info/france-female-only-lesbian-groups-barred-from-pride-month-events-over-transphobia

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QueenHippolyta · 20/06/2023 16:56

Disgusting! Lesbians need to walk away from the misogyny of the rainbow and firmly the our lot to Women.
I did a couple of years ago.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/06/2023 17:13

Good grief. Misogyny & lesbophobia running through it all like a stick of rock.

pues · 20/06/2023 17:14

Lesbians need to leave the rainbow and get their own flag.

Pixiedust1234 · 20/06/2023 17:19

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ArabeIIaScott · 20/06/2023 17:20

I seem to remember lesbians being asked to leave a Pride march.

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S0upertrooper · 20/06/2023 17:47

Excuse my ignorance, I've not heard the term before. What is a 'trans-identified male'? Is that a trans-woman or a trans-man?

Ingenieur · 20/06/2023 18:02

S0upertrooper · 20/06/2023 17:47

Excuse my ignorance, I've not heard the term before. What is a 'trans-identified male'? Is that a trans-woman or a trans-man?

It's a natal man, who has a trans identity

QueenHippolyta · 20/06/2023 20:35

Bother, I meant Lesbians should tie our lot with women not the misogynistic glbtq+

MrsTerryPratchett · 20/06/2023 20:36

Sounds like Lesbian Pride is needed. A solo act.

SquirrelSoShiny · 20/06/2023 20:39

QueenHippolyta · 20/06/2023 16:56

Disgusting! Lesbians need to walk away from the misogyny of the rainbow and firmly the our lot to Women.
I did a couple of years ago.

100% this.

Soubriquet · 20/06/2023 20:41

Lesbians have been excluded for a long long time.

They need their own pride I think.

LoobiJee · 20/06/2023 20:48

ArabeIIaScott · 20/06/2023 17:20

I seem to remember lesbians being asked to leave a Pride march.

That was Cardiff Pride last year.

Pixiedust1234 · 20/06/2023 21:37

Oh... I got deleted? Ffs

ArabeIIaScott · 20/06/2023 21:44

MrsTerryPratchett · 20/06/2023 20:36

Sounds like Lesbian Pride is needed. A solo act.

It's a great idea, but it would need a lot of security.

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TeaKlaxon · 21/06/2023 06:55

Soubriquet · 20/06/2023 20:41

Lesbians have been excluded for a long long time.

They need their own pride I think.

Bollox. Lesbians have never been excluded from Pride. Transphobes, yes.

This lesbian will be joining in her local pride in a couple of weeks time. So no, we’re not excluded. Stop trying to equate lesbian with transphobe.

TeaKlaxon · 21/06/2023 07:05

LoobiJee · 20/06/2023 20:48

That was Cardiff Pride last year.

Nope.

The tiny fringe group were not excluded because they never even sought to register. They joined the usual cranks and showed up to protest Pride instead.

As is their right, just like the weird god botherers who show up each year. But lesbians were completely welcome at Cardiff Pride and far far more lesbians marched than showed up for that weird little protest.

Incidentally the organisation was ‘get the L out’. Which is a bit bizarre - any lesbians who don’t want to be part of the LGBT+ movement don’t have to be. If they want out of the movement they’re welcome to fuck off out of it. So why are they rocking up at events that organised by that movement for that movement?

Slothtoes · 21/06/2023 07:34

The protests are because lesbians (women who solely love and are sexually attracted to other women) are fed up with their name and struggle being associated with a TQ+ politics that specifically targets and seeks to oppress lesbians and to dismantle lesbian culture, by pretending that men can be lesbians.

Anyone who hasn’t read the Get the L Out report, ‘Lesbians at Ground Zero’ to understand this, then this is essential but distressing reading: https://www.gettheloutuk.com/blog/category/research.html

This report shows that ‘lesbians are routinely being coerced into sexual relations with transwomen. The report includes findings of a survey which shows lesbians are under huge pressure within GBT communities to accept without question that “transwoman are women.” Lesbians who responded to the survey reported a wide variety of sexual violence by transwomen, including sexual harassment, sexual assault and rape.’

Research – – Lesbian Not Queer –

https://www.gettheloutuk.com/blog/category/research.html

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/06/2023 07:38

Thanks for that Slothtoes.

The policing of women by men continues. We know that all the men who claim to be lesbians are openly hostile to any woman who fails to validate them in all senses.

Woman2023 · 21/06/2023 07:46

So Teaklaxon, when you say you're a lesbian I take it you mean a same-sex attracted woman. Otherwise your point is meaningless in the context of this thread.

So do you agree that the word lesbian only applies to women and not men who identify as transwomen?

mumda · 21/06/2023 08:01

So does that have any impact on any charitable status the event might have, or council funding?

ArabeIIaScott · 21/06/2023 09:56

TeaKlaxon · 21/06/2023 07:05

Nope.

The tiny fringe group were not excluded because they never even sought to register. They joined the usual cranks and showed up to protest Pride instead.

As is their right, just like the weird god botherers who show up each year. But lesbians were completely welcome at Cardiff Pride and far far more lesbians marched than showed up for that weird little protest.

Incidentally the organisation was ‘get the L out’. Which is a bit bizarre - any lesbians who don’t want to be part of the LGBT+ movement don’t have to be. If they want out of the movement they’re welcome to fuck off out of it. So why are they rocking up at events that organised by that movement for that movement?

I think if you try harder you can fit anotheer 'weirdo' or 'crank' into that post, Tea.

You seem angry. Why do you hate these lesbians so much?

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BigMaggieShoes · 21/06/2023 10:18

Interesting name T-Klaxon.

Helleofabore · 21/06/2023 10:21

ArabeIIaScott · 21/06/2023 09:56

I think if you try harder you can fit anotheer 'weirdo' or 'crank' into that post, Tea.

You seem angry. Why do you hate these lesbians so much?

It is remarkable isn't it? We know another group who get so incensed by women disagreeing with them. The similarities are remarkable.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/06/2023 10:23

It's always worth remembering the general principle from the wise old owls at MNHQ:

"So we always ask users to remember that not everyone on the internet is who they say they are"

(sorry for any ageism there MHHQ) 😉

Livinginaclock · 21/06/2023 10:24

TeaKlaxon · 21/06/2023 06:55

Bollox. Lesbians have never been excluded from Pride. Transphobes, yes.

This lesbian will be joining in her local pride in a couple of weeks time. So no, we’re not excluded. Stop trying to equate lesbian with transphobe.

What's transphobic about being same sex attracted?
Since you say you're a lesbian wouldn't that make you transphobic too?