France - women only lesbian groups banned from Pride events

[ArabeIIaScott]

https://reduxx.info/france-female-only-lesbian-groups-barred-from-pride-month-events-over-transphobia/

'A female-only lesbian advocacy group in France was excluded from their local Pride parade on the basis that they did not allow the membership of trans-identified males. Femmes Entre Elles was labeled “transphobic” for restricting its advocacy to issues faced by women.
Femmes Entre Elles, which translates to “Women Among Themselves,” is a single-sex association for lesbian and bisexual women that has operated for over 30 years. It has been involved in campaigns to support women’s sex-based rights and the rights of lesbian women.
But on May 27, the group was informed via email that they were not welcome to participate in the annual Pride march in Rennes'

Because I'm sick of lesbians being used, mainly by straight people, to pretend that there is some sort of validity to their transphobia.

Claiming lesbians are excluded from pride is just a flat out lie. We are not.

What transphobia? Saying males can't be lesbians is just the simple truth, Tea.

No one cares who you're attracted to. There's no questionnaire asking about who you're attracted to before you march in pride.

What matters for Pride is whether you're inclusive of the LGBT+ community.

If not, that's fine. Pride just isn't for you.

By all means - if the Get the L Out types want to organise their own pride they're entirely free to do so. I suspect the reason they won't be because the tens of thousands of lesbians marching at the likes of London Pride might dispel the myth that it is lesbians being oppressed when a few dozen of them rock up to their own pride.

Lesbians are total vagitarians.
I'm one.
men don't like it when we say no to cock

Another lesbian here looking forward to Pride season.

It's been great seeing the increase in women attending pride marches over the years.

I remember that thread on here about Get the L Out at Pride...one of the protesters was posting on it wasn't she? She was particularly disappointed by the number of women at Pride who spoke to her saying that they were uncomfortable with what 'Get the L Out' were doing.

Pride focuses on values of inclusion, so why people whose priority is exclusion would want to attend is a bit of a paradox really.

"Bollox. Lesbians have never been excluded from Pride. Transphobes, yes."

Glad to have this so clearly stated on this thread.

So, not only HAVE lesbians been excluded from Pride. Not as a whole entity, but individual groups. But also, any lesbian who disagrees with the premise that a male can be a lesbian is 'transphobic'.

As to 'why' lesbians would turn up and protest at Pride, well, that probably is that they are the lesbians who were there supporting Pride from the start and are now making a political stand that they believe that Pride now represents concepts that are harmful to lesbians. Hence they are protesting. Just like Fred Sergeant protested.

The extreme polarisation of the statement above is common. That of 'If you are not fully supportive of males being accepted as female people then you are transphobic'.

It might convince a few people still who are new to the discussion. However, it is a very tired tactic and the word 'transphobe' has become meaningless in the exaggerated over use to many adults.

This sentiment is somewhat at odds though with :

"If they want out of the movement they’re welcome to fuck off out of it."

Considering it was likely 'their' movement. And that Pride no longer stands to represent the interests of lesbians who disagree that males cannot become female people. Those lesbians might be very accepting of male trans people in situations where sex does not matter.

So, they are welcome to 'fuck off out it', but are 'transphobic' and "So why are they rocking up at events that organised by that movement for that movement?" (errr.... to protest it if they are not welcome to be there and Pride most likely made it very clear that they were not welcome there)

It does show that Pride and Pride members and supporters are not tolerant of anything but doctrinal thinking.

And seriously, "So why are they rocking up at events that organised by that movement for that movement?". Fucking hilarious considering the protests at any women's rally or meeting or any lesbian specific meeting or just any meeting for any homosexual or bisexual person who feels that they are not well represented by the groups supporting LGBT+. I suggest you go and tell that to those protesters. Particularly the ones who end up assaulting women (and children at one recently).

It must be tedious beyond measure, QueenHippolyta. But at least Tea has given Tea's permission for women to gather by themselves for a woman-only pride, so that's nice.

"By all means - if the Get the L Out types want to organise their own pride they're entirely free to do so."

They did.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4635845-lesbian-strength-march-in-leeds-cancelled-over-safety-fears

It was cancelled due to safety issues from extreme trans activists and Antifa. As have numerous women's events recently.

The 'exclusion' they seek though is to define their sexual orientation and their sexual boundaries.

Oh, I see. Lesbians are free to organise their own pride but they'll get threats and violent aggression when they do so.

I don't know that's 'entirely free', tbh.

https://twitter.com/JocastaMoney/status/1571218545903636483?t=7paX0qJthYl25IDR0oPvMw&s=19

Look, crowds of hooded, masked men shouting at lesbians. So progress. Much kind.

So why are they rocking up at events that organised by that movement for that movement?
Not sure what a TeaKlaxon is, but my IronyKlaxon just went off...

Well remember Arabella, THOSE protests including the threats, the intimidation and the violence are acceptable, described as 'peaceful' and are completely righteously justified!

The Lesbians who want to be able to define their own sexual boundaries are not acceptable, or justified at all in some people's view. Therefore they deserve to be excluded. They also seem to deserve to be attacked.

And remember that Bordeaux march? Where lesbians were threatened with fire (was it a flare?) as they march by a male who was incensed that women disagreed that they, a male, was a woman?

Righteous violence is justified in the face of women saying things that men disagree with.

I see.

yeah.... that protest seems all about freedom of choice for lesbians doesn't it?

Ever so righteous! Gosh.... "So why are they rocking up at events that organised by that movement for that movement?'

Lesbians are women and our interests ally with women only.
even before the T, LGB groups were dominated and catered to gay men.

Women need to work together and assert our power; we have it!
We're 51% of the population.

Julia Long and Ann Ruzylo are true heroines... remember sainted Lily Madigan? what happened to him?

Everyone's entitled to define their own sexual orientation and boundaries, I don't know anyone within LGBT circles who disagrees with that; these are personal choices regarding sex lives that everyone makes.

I'm a lesbian and I don't want to sleep with 95% of other lesbians out there, that is my decision to make and nobody is going around saying that because I am a lesbian I am obliged to have sex with other lesbians or entitled to have sex with any other lesbian. But that is exactly the kind of bollocks that comes up about trans people.

Honestly the bollocks that is spoken about trans people demanding sex is, exactly that, bollocks.

Personal choices regarding sex lives happen at the individual level, not at a group or demographic level.

I have friends who are lesbians going out with transwomen and they have the right to determine their sexual choices and their labels...but some people bizarrely over-invested in the sex lives of others and possibly just quite controlling in general, appear to wish to take that from them.

‘nobody is going around saying that because I am a lesbian I am obliged to have sex with other lesbians or entitled to have sex with any other lesbian. But that is exactly the kind of bollocks that comes up about trans people.

Honestly the bollocks that is spoken about trans people demanding sex is, exactly that, bollocks.’

You are bang on the money there @suggestionsplease1 : ‘bollocks’ sums up the problem nicely.

Do we also remember Bergdorf?

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/02/27/munroe-bergdorf-like-please-keep-vaginas-feminism/

I also want to stress that if you do attend, it is CRUICIAL that you do with an INTERSECTIONAL mindset. Centering reproductive systems at the heart of these demonstrations is reductive and exclusionary.— Munroe Bergdorf 🌹🌹 (@MunroeBergdorf) January 20, 2018

This male insisted on setting the guidelines for women marching as women for women.

Cardiff and Manchester?

So you don't think that it's okay that the Lesbian Strength rally was attacked and heckled by trans activists? I agree.

And yet, Suggestions those women who have defined their sexual boundaries are not allowed to March in Pride. Nor allowed to hold their own events without security risks.

And I am sure we have had this conversation before. You are an adult.

I have listened to a group of lesbian teenagers tell each other that they must accept girl-dick or they are transphobic. So there fucking well IS cause for concern out there no matter how much you deny now or in the past that there is.

Why should any teenager be pressured by their lesbian peers to accept 'girl-dick'? Why the fuck are you (general 'you' not you specifically) not out there telling them it is perfectly fine to say no and to publicly declare your boundaries? And saying no to fucking a DICK is quite ok and not transphobic at all.

Where is THAT message coming through loudly. It is not. That is the point.

it is CRUICIAL that you do with an INTERSECTIONAL mindset

Unfortunately, as in the case this thread is about, the mindset is evidently at the intersection of homophobia and misogyny.

Why, yes, that must have been the precise moment the scales fell from my eyes! Thanks, Munroe!

Sadly QueenH we are considered the 'wrong' women because of our own sexual orientation. Apparently, we cannot comment to support lesbians because that would be us using you to pretend there is some sort of validity to our alleged transphobia.

"Because I'm sick of lesbians being used, mainly by straight people, to pretend that there is some sort of validity to their transphobia."