France - women only lesbian groups banned from Pride events

[ArabeIIaScott]

https://reduxx.info/france-female-only-lesbian-groups-barred-from-pride-month-events-over-transphobia/

'A female-only lesbian advocacy group in France was excluded from their local Pride parade on the basis that they did not allow the membership of trans-identified males. Femmes Entre Elles was labeled “transphobic” for restricting its advocacy to issues faced by women.
Femmes Entre Elles, which translates to “Women Among Themselves,” is a single-sex association for lesbian and bisexual women that has operated for over 30 years. It has been involved in campaigns to support women’s sex-based rights and the rights of lesbian women.
But on May 27, the group was informed via email that they were not welcome to participate in the annual Pride march in Rennes'

"Honestly the bollocks that is spoken about trans people demanding sex is, exactly that, bollocks."

Good to know though that on a feminist board that the women who have posted in the past about the pressure to have sex with males who declare they are lesbians, at least one told us they were raped by that male, is not to be believed.

Because.... obviously they are liars and it is just not happening.

How disgusting for anyone to seek to alienate lesbians from Pride (.. just typing those words, I mean, WTF?)

No, Pride is not about just being ‘inclusive’ of everyone or some other #bekind shit. It was (and should still be able to be) about same-sex attracted people celebrating same-sex attraction, in a society which may range from being accepting of their sexual orientation, to hostile and violent toward lesbian, gay and bisexual people, because of their sexual orientation.

Any ‘Pride’ which denies same sex attraction in favour of gender identity politics is a complete homophobic, sexist, misogynistic travesty

I've made this point before regarding women and misogyny but same applies here.

Women who love and are sexually attracted to other women exist. We used to call these women lesbians. If we are no longer allowed to describe this sexuality as lesbian then lesbians are being denied the language they need to talk about their shared experiences. Denying lesbians the language they need to describe their own sexuality is homophobia.

Take a look at this Mr Menno video and notice how the men featured are desperate to ensure that women do not use language in any way that might distinguish us from the men wanting to be us.

@Helleofabore it's divide and conquer.
If men can keep us women from organizing together they can keep us subjugated and nowadays erased.
I love and ally with my straight and bisexual sisters. 💜
L with the W = power ✊

If this has actually happened anywhere this is of course wrong, and sex and relationship education classes should be working to enable young people to communicate assertively about their own individual sexual choices and preferences and to respond respectfully to the other people's declarations of their individual sexual choices and preferences.

These interactions of course necessarily happen at an individual level, as any person has to the right to knock back any individual, irrespective of whether the individual superficially fits into a grouping / orientation the person tends to have an interest in.

Can you guess how often I've been pressured to sleep with a trans woman? Never.

Can you guess how often I've been interrogated by trans people about whether my sexual boundaries include trans women? Never.

In fact, the only people I have ever been asked 'ah but do you fancy trans women' are straight people who don't like trans people.

Oh. So now my personal anecdote is to be questioned.

It fucking happened. I have told you about it before I believe. And this was your response then too.

So, the school should be working to enable young people to voice their own sexual choices? Really?

So, not the adult lesbian community? The adult lesbian community who wish to remain aligned with Pride leave it to the schools? Not the dominant 'intersectional' lesbians who could actually make a huge difference?

Because why?

Is it because if you actually spoke out, maybe put that on placards and marched with that message, you would be ostracised too?

Or because, you are all right Jack. Nothing to do with me! The teenagers trying to navigate the fucking mess you are creating can rely on schools to sort them out.

And while we are at it, lets fucking silence and shame those women who are lesbians who are raising the alarms!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57853385

'Some lesbians say they are increasingly being pressured and coerced into accepting trans women as partners - then shunned and even threatened for speaking out. Several have spoken to the BBC, along with trans women who are concerned about the issue too.'

I believe the lesbians who have told me this has happened to them.

I stand with lesbians who want to protect their culture and their right to organise as same-sex attracted women.

100%

✊(is this the right emoji??)

It's very tiny. Looks a bit like a croissant. I stand with all my croissant wielding sisters, in France and beyond!

✊

@ArabeIIaScott thank you Sister.

I've said this before. Way back around 2015 two transwomen ( men) in my Lesbian social group complained about my joking comment "Who wants to be a man?" I was thrown out until I apologized to them.
I had to and have never forgotten this male power play.
Men don't belong in female-only social groups whether it is Lesbian, WI, swimming and sports.

and to be clear "The teenagers trying to navigate the fucking mess you are creating can rely on schools to sort them out" is lesbians attempting to silence or to support (even by turning a blind eye) the silencing of and the shaming of and the ostracisation of those lesbians who HAVE experience what you deny, and the lack of an open public discourse about it.

And by that I mean excluding the women who define their sexual boundaries publicly to exclude all male people from Pride and other major LGBT+ events.

What is it that you want to say though?

Doesn't it amount to 'lesbians are only attracted to women and not transwomen' ?

But of course not all lesbians are attracted to all other women.

Sexual attraction operates at an individual level, not a group level...it is far better to empower every individual to be assertive in their declarations of their own sexual interests and choices and respectful of every other individual's sexual interests and choices rather than make overly simplistic declarations at the group level.

These overly simplistic declarations at a group level could leave vulnerable people thinking they because they fit one demographic who is, in general, interested in another demographic, they should be receptive to advances from any members of that demographic. Of course they shouldn't have to respond to any individual they are not interested in, irrespective of demographic, gender/ sex Identity or orientation.

Empower people at the individual level to be assertive about their own entirely personal sexual interests and choices, that is what is important.

@suggestionsplease1
No Lesbian is attracted to men and their cocks.
Women who are same-sex and opposite- sex attracted are Bisexual.
Women who are attracted to gender not sex are Queer and Pansexual.

Lesbian is taken.
We are asserting our boundaries!

hear, hear.

The definition of 'lesbian' excludes males.

Ok. So now it seems you think you will go along that it may be happening but that you think that vulnerable teenagers and young people can be empowered by the schools to over come this. Because older lesbians communicating about being able to assert boundaries that don't include males are 'too dangerous and may leave people vulnerable? I don't quite understand your point.

Either way, it is too fucking late. The thought has already been processed and is now stuck and been reinforced by the group over and over again.

But .... no..... apparently it is not happening and no lesbians are being pressured at all.

Has it ever occurred to you, and I believe I have said this to you before too, that no lesbian would tell you any different if they believe that you adhere to the ideological thinking that you display on this board? So, I will believe the other lesbians who tell us it does happen thanks.

That's just vile, and so hypocritical. "We must be inclusive! You're all transphobic for not wanting our feminine dick!".

"But of course not all lesbians are attracted to all other women".

Then they are bisexual. It's not rocket sexual.

From the article

Today, Pride has nothing to do with homosexuality. It’s about capitalism: surrogacy and prostitution, male paraphilias.

Seems about right.

Eh? I can't get my head around that!!

At DW's workplace one of her male colleagues (let's call them A) came out as a trans woman last year (resulting unsurprisingly in the end of A's marriage). 'A' now has a 'girlfriend' who is also a trans woman. Apparently (according to them) they are lesbians.
When words lose their meaning like this it just leaves me baffled...

I was about to write that I'm sure it was that event where masked men were setting fire to the Lesbian Strength posters (possibly flags). I've certainly seen photos on Aja's Twitter.

Then I saw the linked thread and the photo is the last post.

Such brave, masked men /s