France - women only lesbian groups banned from Pride events

[ArabeIIaScott]

https://reduxx.info/france-female-only-lesbian-groups-barred-from-pride-month-events-over-transphobia/

'A female-only lesbian advocacy group in France was excluded from their local Pride parade on the basis that they did not allow the membership of trans-identified males. Femmes Entre Elles was labeled “transphobic” for restricting its advocacy to issues faced by women.
Femmes Entre Elles, which translates to “Women Among Themselves,” is a single-sex association for lesbian and bisexual women that has operated for over 30 years. It has been involved in campaigns to support women’s sex-based rights and the rights of lesbian women.
But on May 27, the group was informed via email that they were not welcome to participate in the annual Pride march in Rennes'

also in France, earlier this year:

https://reduxx.info/france-violent-trans-activists-force-cancellation-of-symposium-supporting-afghan-and-iranian-women/

'A symposium in Nantes intended to raise awareness of the plight of Afghan and Iranian women has been postponed after trans activists threatened to violently ambush the event because of the presence of a gender critical speaker.'

There’s never any reflection as to quite why this might be.

Hint: TRAs’ own, continual behaviour and actions …

If they allow self-id how do they measure the pay gap between the two sexes?

OK. Let's take for example, Scotland. Where self id was essentially implemented on a 'before the law' standpoint. The SPS had a policy, implemented in 2014, where male sex offenders were routinely (and quietly continue to be) placed in the female prison estate. Single sex rape crisis services have essentially been eradicated, despite being entirely legal, due to the institutional capture of various institutions. The right for rape victims to merely be able to request the sex of the person who intimately examines them was deemed transphobic by many of our elected representatives.

The GRR Bill aimed to cement these egregious attacks on women's existing, legal single sex rights and was thankfully, struck down due to it being appallingly poor law which clashed with reserved matters.

Here, where self id has been implemented in an underhand manner, clearly women's rights and wellbeing and trans rights and wellbeing cannot be 'achieved simultaneously'. It's been a wholesale attack on women's rights.

@suggestionsplease1

There are currently three sex advancement tables that can be used to show how countries with and without self-id compare. They produce widely differing results and all have easily challenged methodologies. They are about as much use as tits on a hog

But, picking a few countries with self-id:

Malta. Great for self-id, shit for women.
Ireland. Great for self-id, shit for women.
New Zealand. Great for self-id, shit for women.
Argentina. What the fuck can I say!

But great attempt at deflection.

The report doesn't just look at the economic gender gap; it examines four key areas: health, education, economy and politics.

Have you read the report? None, and I mean none, of these countries have closed the gap at all. Their only credit to fame is they perform slightly better than the rest of the world. And are at the moment going backwards at a dismal rate, but still leading as the rest of the world is even worse.
I do wonder what the correlation is with the decrease in overall economic standing of women and the implementation of self id though... could also be covid, which had a bigger impact on the female sex. We'll know in a few years, that is IF the statistics are not screwed up by registration on feelings instead of reality.

I mean, come on, Malta and womens healthcare....

On those four countries in the Global Gender Gap Report and self-identification:

The earliest date for that is Norway's law which came into force in July 2016. Iceland's was in July 2019, New Zealand in December 2021, and Finland in February 2023.

So these are very recent changes, and there would be very little, if any, more aggregate statistical evidence which could be used to assess if and how the equality between the sexes and women's rights might be affected by them.

This is because it takes time for any consequences (or the lack of them) to become evident and then even more time for the statistics to be produced for public consumption.

This is because it takes time for any consequences (or the lack of them) to become evident and then even more time for the statistics to be produced for public consumption.

As Reem Alsalem pointed out, though, these statistics may never come out. If Isla Bryson is recorded as a female, having carried out rape, then this will merely skew sexual assault figures to show more women committing rape.

Self ID effectively means that issues are obscured or hidden. What problem? Isla is a woman. She raped with her penis and was put in a woman's jail.

Shall I refer you to the thread where we did actually pull the data out and look at exactly what that data was measuring?

I am quite sure I can find it again and post all the information we pulled. Including the fact that the data didn’t measure what you keep telling everyone it measured.

I believe we also pointed out through cross referencing that some of those ‘top’ countries had horrendous domestic violence issues and very low rape convictions. And if I remember correctly, some of those ‘top countries’ have appalling maternal health records.

You must of forgotten all the discussion that we had about that report. I am very happy to repost it all. It basically made a mockery of what you keep trying to sell that data as. But hey, I am up to keep discussing it, you did disappear off the thread when the facts started to be posted.

One of the highest ratings was because those countries had female leaders. It pushed them high despite the appalling records in other areas.

I believe that Suggestions disappeared when we started analysing the data.

Isn't New Zealand one of the worst ranked of the OECD countries in terms of domestic violence, despite having a female Prime Minister until this year?

Oh look!!

Another public space that lesbians were NOT allowed to have despite klaxon and others declaring that lesbians who don’t want to include males were ‘free’ to do their own thing!

Gosh, the reality just doesn’t match their version of the supposed truth does it?

It is like, any lesbian who doesn’t want to include males is vilified and attacked! As they have been reporting for years now…. Whodathunkit!

Yes, our rates of domestic violence are shameful.

Yes.

The report was produced by a private foundation. It is being haloed effectively by suggestions. But it doesn’t show what suggestions wishes it to. It is full of holes and inconsistencies when you look at what it collects.

But I don’t want to derail Arabella’s thread and it really isn’t pertinent for French lesbians.

If I remember correctly, I don’t believe what was collected had much relevance to ‘self id’ at all. It was pretty much irrelevant.

it really is bizarre behaviour by suggestions. But it is consistent. It is like bringing up something that KJK supposedly said, when in fact when you review the entire translation, it doesn’t say what Suggestions wants it to say at all. But that bad faith take is constantly posted. I can only think that if they do it enough times, one reader might be convinced.

Nobody has ever sensibly addressed my query as to why the top 4 countries in the world that are doing the best to close the gender gap between men and women are also countries that have proceeded with self-id?

Surely it's obvious?

If you're including men in the category of women, it's obviously going to close the gender pay gap, isn't it?

'The women, many of whom were survivors of the sex trade, soon found themselves swarmed and outnumbered by trans activists who called them “SWERFs,” for Sex Worker Exclusionary Radical Feminist, and shouted “no feminism without whores.”

God, they don't stop being disgusting for a nano second, do they?

We have to look at what people are DOING

they may (like some of the posters on this thread) be saying that everyone can love who they love and it’s all about equality

but what is actually happening? People are taking the opportunity to harass lesbians and drive them underground

Also the irony has just struck me.

We have a thread about women being excluded, France has a fair amount of recent history of women and lesbians being physically attacked, harassed and threatened for their beliefs in biological sex and wish to have female only spaces.

Yet we are told repeatedly that its only a tiny minority and the vast majority disagree.

Women acquiescing or failing to speak out because of threats and intimidation is not the same as a consensus.

As Queen says, lesbians are forming new networks in secret, just as women throughout the world are making new networks out if the public eye.

Women won't wheesht. Males may be able to intimidate and threaten us, but in the end they can't control us. We've been dealing with the patriarchy for millenia, we will continue as ever.

Incredible that women in advanced, western countries are no longer able to meet without males present.

We have gone so far backward in the past decade - thanks purely to trans and gender ideology - that we’re practically in the 19th century.

So, so depressing…..

Hm. We will always be at a disadvantage when trying to achieve equity - by its very nature it's trying to redress inequalities that are baked in. So it's always 'pushing against the stream'. There will always be bullies and those who are happy to go along with 'might is right'.

But women have found and always will find ways to organise and resist. That's ALSO baked in.

Also, chicken and egg... males 'identifying as female' (or gender fluid or whatever like pips Bunce and Izzard) only after women have made some progress towards sex equality.

I agree.

Of course, as others have said, we can find each other and meet up privately in secret to retain our single-sex spaces. But it's unbelievable that we have to go to such lengths to live as lesbians in 2023.

And although there are ways to meet up in secret, it is still unacceptable that lesbians are effectively excluded from public life and from discussing their experiences or asserting their boundaries in lots of little ways that make many of us feel bullied into an "if you can't beat them, join them" mentality.

I understand how we got where we are (Stonewall, etc), but the sooner corporates, public institutions and individuals accept that gender ideology is a philosophical belief that not everyone holds, the better.

As ArabellaScott and others have pointed out, we have always met up in private. The whole point of Pride, however, was that we were finally supposed to be able to meet in public, in effect to reclaim the public space for Gays and Lesbians just as Women had begun to do at the start of the century. The gradual assimilation of Gay politics and even Feminism into Queer Theory and Trans Ideology is beginning to operate like a kind of urinary leash for Lesbians, destroying all of the spaces where we could safely meet. The loss of these spaces is bad enough, but the loss of Pride as a symbol of possibility and validation is almost worse.

Absolutely

didnt MNHQ delete someone recently for derailing a thread

and no, women on FWR have been told off many many times for ‘derailing’ when generally they have taken evasive action against derailers