France - women only lesbian groups banned from Pride events

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https://reduxx.info/france-female-only-lesbian-groups-barred-from-pride-month-events-over-transphobia/

'A female-only lesbian advocacy group in France was excluded from their local Pride parade on the basis that they did not allow the membership of trans-identified males. Femmes Entre Elles was labeled “transphobic” for restricting its advocacy to issues faced by women.
Femmes Entre Elles, which translates to “Women Among Themselves,” is a single-sex association for lesbian and bisexual women that has operated for over 30 years. It has been involved in campaigns to support women’s sex-based rights and the rights of lesbian women.
But on May 27, the group was informed via email that they were not welcome to participate in the annual Pride march in Rennes'

And yet, we are being told there is absolutely no issues here. And that lesbians who disagree that any male can be a lesbian are completely free to meet up and to date, and have their own events any time they wish! Complete freedom!

Nothing to see!

Oh... except they don't have the freedom to protest against an organisation that excludes them that some of them would have started and run for years. Because, reasons! Reasons that they should keep to them selves and just STFU already.

It's funny I thought it was the great Julia Long who started "Get the L Out" but it's excellent Angela Wild and I've joined! Now all Lesbian women should leave the rainbow orgs to Queers and Pansexuals.

You keep saying that but not many of us are taking you up on your suggestion.

Good luck with it though.

That's the point. We Lesbians are in reality quite a small group, so everyone left in Pride will be GayTrans, Queer, Pansexual+

Enjoy!

Because I'm sick of lesbians being used, mainly by straight people, to pretend that there is some sort of validity to their transphobia.

This really is an irony from teaklaxon because she's not sick of straight people (trans identifying males) using lesbians to validate their identity.

You are angry with lesbians on behalf of straight men.

Honestly the bollocks that is spoken about trans people demanding sex is, exactly that, bollocks.

Well they're often involved though, those bollocks?

Yeah no. The vast majority of lesbians aren’t allowing a small minority to police our sexuality.

Lesbians we are and lesbians we’ll stay. But yes, your very small fringe group is more than welcome outside the LGBT+ tent.

welcome outside the tent.

Gosh the inclusive kindness is overwhelming.

Inclusion is another word flushed down the toilet by sex denialists.

You don't need a small number of lesbians to police your sexuality, you have handed the job over to heterosexual men.

Honestly you would think lesbians would be the one group of women that were up to the job of not capitulating to men in everything.

In reality they are though, it's the same gender evangelists that have capitulated. Not lesbians.

Genderbians.

Yeah no. The vast majority of lesbians aren’t allowing a small minority to police our sexuality.

You can't contradict a statement about X by making a statement where you use X with a different meaning. QueenHippolyta is talking about lesbians meaning "women who are sexually oriented towards women". You are not. It's not clear what meaning you are using, but as you admit, it's not that.

This isn't an argument - it isn't even a contradiction. It's just meaningless words.

I think what we need is a good investigative journalist to really look into this issue and gather evidence.

I've no doubt it would be easy to prove what many lesbians have told us - that they are pressured into accepting transwomen, that they are swamped with 'transwomen' profiles on dating sites, that they are met with rage and insults if they dare to say they're penis exclusionary.

I can tell you Lesbians are already self-excluding into secret social groups.

I don't know why TeaKlaxon isn't proud of being Queer and Gender-oriented. It's totally great you have a group for you:)

I find it terribly sad people somehow feel unable publically to embrace their Queerness and Pansexuality....

I have friends who are lesbians going out with transwomen and they have the right to determine their sexual choices and their labels
People are 100% entitled to make their own sexual choices, but you don't get to randomly choose your label, because if you do that, words start to lose their actual meanings.

So if you call yourself a lesbian, but you're happy to sleep with a bloke (it doesn't matter what he's wearing and how he's done his hair, if has a cock he's a bloke), you're destroying the meaning of the word 'lesbian'.

Another classic example here is the word 'woman'.

Can't tell you how fucked off I am that the word that describes me has been sodding well hijacked. So I can imagine that a lot of lesbians are even more fucked off than me.

Did you miss the memo? That poster and her ilk don’t want to be included. That’s the whole point of ‘Get the L Out’.

Sorry if no one sheds any tears for the tiny minority who want to disavow the movement.

Perhaps stop trying to equate men with lesbians?

Apart from all those lesbians you lot like to dismiss because they support trans people. Nancy Kelley, Sandi Toksvig, Wanda Sykes, Mhairi Black, Angela Eagle all clearly know less about being a lesbian than random Internet warriors on Mumsnet. They are obviously not lesbian enough.

Sorry if no one sheds any tears for the tiny minority who want to disavow the movement.

Don't shed tears for minorities? The true meaning of Pride.

Hope away. Last year's Hamburg Dyke March had a trans-identified male Green MP as keynote speaker. The type to get herself photographed in a mini mini mini skirt with her junk vividly outlined underneath. Dignity of Parliament and all that.

Also, I gather it's called Dick March these days.

Absolutely this!

Apart from all those lesbians you lot like to dismiss because they support trans people. Nancy Kelley, Sandi Toksvig, Wanda Sykes, Mhairi Black, Angela Eagle all clearly know less about being a lesbian than random Internet warriors on Mumsnet. They are obviously not lesbian enough.

Well, they are all married and have zero idea what it is like trying to date as a lesbian in the current climate. It's easy to say transwomen are women and can therefore be lesbians when you've got no skin in the game.

Men who want to exclude male-bodied people from their dating pool don’t come in for anywhere near the level of spitting hatred that lesbians who want to exclude male-bodied people do.

Sandi eh? She's certainly sucking it up to keep her "political" party limping along with cash from the religious American father of a boy with an identity.

Policed by a straight father and son combo.

Nancy Kelly! I imagine that a salary over 100,000 a year has you signed up as a genderbian in five minutes, especially when you have been married for donkeys years and like awards parties.

Mhairi Black, well you are spoiling us with fine examples of intellectual capital aren't you.

Yes, aren't they already partnered up with actual women? How many of these famous lesbians are dating transwomen?

I get a whiff of "ally in the streets, TERF in the sheets", and the same goes for many of the trans inclusive lesbians that show up on this board.

Quite.

@TeaKlaxon does seem to have fairly unlimited vitriol for women who are clear that they don’t sleep with men

why can’t you just be kind @TeaKlaxon ?