What happened to the thread on the two school girls...

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...who were being preached absolute codswallop at by their teacher?

I presume deleted, but why?

Sorry this was probably my fault for linking and commenting about one of the horrible far-right tweets calling the school groomers. I asked MNHQ to remove my post which they did but then they nuked the whole thread about an hour later. Apologies everyone, will think before post next time, sorry.

The parents wouldn’t have known their daughters were being indoctrinated in gender ideology instead of biological facts if the girls hadn’t recorded it. Any teacher who tells nonsense to pupils and denies the pupils their legal right to their own opinions isn’t fit to be a teacher. Parents are being denied sight of sex ed teaching materials and you’re worried about the brave girls actions in exposing what is actually going on in class.

Sorry wwwww but you say if a boy/girl wants to become a boy or girl they are only whichever they chose if and after they get their parts surgically changed, that's not true though is it?

A boy who has his genitals surgically changed -aside from the fact this this can cover a whole range of changes for a whole range of reasons- does not become a girl. He becomes a boy with surgically altered genitals.

If the girls hadn't released the recording I doubt anyone would have believed them. They would have been called transphobic bigots.

You're right. The school would have claimed they had misunderstood and were exaggerating.

Safeguarding supersedes all data protection laws.

Over here on this thread, someone’s said:

“Just in case anyone thinks these resources aren't real and/or being used, the one about the female pupil 'Tom' using the male toilets was in my son's PSHE booklet (year 10, comprehensive school in north Herts). The booklet only came home once, by accident. After that he hasn't been allowed to bring it home. Always collected in by the teacher. Head of year dodges all attempts to discuss it.”

Woman loses fight to see daughter’s sex education content
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4826716-woman-loses-fight-to-see-daughters-sex-education-contentt_

Don’t worry about it. Someone pointed out the teachers name was in the tiktok link (I hadn’t noticed when I posted) so it was bound to get removed eventually.

This is right. The girls are whistleblowing because adults have failed to safeguard them.

We also have to remember these are CHILDREN not ADULTS. The whole queer agenda is about treating children as if they're adults. But we know they can't assess risk and don't have the knowledge or power of adults. We can't expect children to be equally responsible, especially in a situation like this - there is a huge power difference. The teacher has all the power. The teacher is paid to safeguard those children, instead bullying them. The teacher has broken the law (what she has done is very much against Keeping Children Safe in Education - statutory safeguarding guidance for schools).

The parents may very well have tried to go via the school first and had a door firmly slammed in their faces and given up and told the girls they tried but there was nothing they could do - at which point the girls took the only action remaining.

We've seen it happen enough on here. Even Helen Joyce found it difficult to effect any changes in her son's school and you don't find many as articulate and well versed as her.

A poster on a previous thread was threatened with being reported to the police for defamation for querying the correct protected characteristics on a poster (guess which one was missing!) and (shock, horror!) talking about it with other parents. In that case such an ill informed attempt to intimidate into silence (with a complete misunderstanding of how defamation law works) that it was laughable - but an attempt to silence nonetheless.

Not really correct. Safeguarding does trump everything but eg I wouldn't take a pic of a kids phone or a child even to report Safeguarding. And this recording is excellent for internal use an maybe an mp complaint but not to publicly identify the school or teacher. She should be disciplined though, so many have the other way. I've had 2 thorny ones dismissed as I am of course right, but other teachers and certain kids don't like reality.

Anyone who thinks there's any other way to deal with this needs to read to the end of this thread

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4826716-woman-loses-fight-to-see-daughters-sex-education-content?page=4

Children and their parents are being shut down, told to shut up, bullied and have nowhere to go within the school system with this. Whistleblowing is the only solution.

Yes I do agree. Perhaps only sending to the Headteacher local mp women's minister etc would get covered up. Straight to a national like the telegraph or times who can protect identity but do journalism might be better than social media though.

As someone else said without that video we would just be told it didn't happen.

I hope the girls don't get in trouble for releasing the video. It is definitely in the public interest to raise awareness of what is happening in our schools. We saw no kids faces or names I think it should be allowed. And those on whatever platform encourageing abuse of the teacher as wrong too. We don't need to know who the teacher is or the school or the girls. We need to know it's happening. The school needs to know the specifics and needs to act the public just need awareness and to act on a national level

Same at my Catholic school in the late 90s/early 2000s.

I had some very heated debates with my very Catholic RE teacher about abortion and homosexuality and he wrote on my year 11 report card that he hoped he would see me in his philosophy A-level class the following year.

Has there been any other incidence of children being taught flat out lies as truth in schools in the UK? It terrifies me.

I hope the girls are strong enough to withstand the shitstorm that is no doubt coming their way tomorrow at school.

Trofim Denisovich Lysenko wannabe scientists, like that teacher can't be allowed to carry on. There is this new science we can King Charles style talk an Orange to grow in Siberia, or we can think ourselves into the opposite sex.

I don't know what the answer is, I know leaders are not helping.

They did say that no one else believes it either, I really do think that a lot of kids have had a gut full, they’re not stupid and they’re being instructed to pretend they believe stupid things, I wonder if they really will face much opposition in school. I mean if that were your workplace and someone stuck their neck out like that wouldn’t you stand with them if there was an aftermath? even if you weren’t the one with the courage to raise it?

@dimorphism You seem incapable of understanding the difference between releasing a recording and releasing a recording naming an individual. And a load of assumptions are being made on this thread about whether the school were actually made aware of what is happening or not.

I mean if that were your workplace and someone stuck their neck out like that wouldn’t you stand with them if there was an aftermath? even if you weren’t the one with the courage to raise it?

In my experience (teacher), no, very few colleagues are prepared to stand with you, at least not publicly. They have mortgages and mouths to feed and careers to consider, so I don't actually blame them.

Has there been any other incidence of children being taught flat out lies as truth in schools in the UK? It terrifies me.

Yep. I had to correct the Brook Advisory on content they delivered to our yr9 (stats on the proportion of “intersex” people, what “intersex” means). I just happened to be the supervising teacher (cos I was available) but I’m not sure others would have noticed it was incorrect. The woman delivering it was a recent “gender studies” graduate and I don’t know if she even knew it was wrong tbh.

There are loads of examples of incorrect protected characteristics too (gender instead of sex, gender identity instead of gender reassignment are the two most common I’ve seen).

There was that boy in Scotland about 4 years ago who was suspended just as he was about to take exams. Seems that nothing has changed since then…

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/i-stayed-silent-protect-myself-27892304.amp

We had our share of crap in the name of pshe lesson too. Dd 10 told me yesterday they had their puberty lesson where the teacher who is a senior teacher said all babies when conceived are girls and then after a few months in mother's womb some of them grow a penis. This is appalling. I obviously corrected her .

Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/18/pupil-teacher-despicable-identifying-cat-transgender/

"A Church of England school teacher told a pupil she was “despicable” after she refused to accept that her classmate identifies as a catt_.
The 13-year-old girl and her friend were reprimanded by their teacher at Rye College, in East Sussex, on Friday at the end of a Year 8 class on “life education” in which they were told they can “be who you want to be and how you identify is up to you”.
The row, which has infuriated parents, was allegedly sparked by one of them asking a fellow pupil: “How can you identify as a cat when you’re a girl?”
Their teacher told them they were being reported to a senior leader and were no longer welcome at the school, part of the Aquinas Trust, a Church of England network of 11 schools, if they continued to express the view that only boys and girls existt_.
‘They are genuinely unwell – crazy’
The Telegraph has heard a recording of the heated exchange taken by one of the pupils, in which the teacher starts by saying “how dare you – you’ve just really upset someone” by “questioning their identity”.
The pupil responded: “If they want to identify as a cat or something then they are genuinely unwell – crazy.”
The teacher then asks the girls “where did you get this idea from that there are only two genders”, adding: “It is not an opinion.”
The teacher said that “gender is not linked to the parts that you were born with, gender is about how you identify, which is what I said right from the very beginning of the lesson.”
She added that “there is actually three biological sexes because you can be born with male and female body parts or hormones” and “there are lots of genders – there is transgender, there is agender who are people who don’t believe that they have a gender at all”."

Are you able to complain to the school? That sort of crap needs to be sorted out, or the teacher will continue to misinform children. Obviously it is fair enough if you can’t though, it can be really difficult being “that” parent.

I’m glad it’s been picked up. Well done to those girls

I assumed they were older, they spoke well on it