What happened to the thread on the two school girls...

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...who were being preached absolute codswallop at by their teacher?

I presume deleted, but why?

Looks like the schools guidance is due any day now. Massive tantrum alert!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22733965/schools-banned-letting-pupils-change-gender-parents-rishi-sunak/

Good article in The Telegraph.
https://archive.is/U6F7r

And children who want to be called by another pronoun — he, she, they — will not be able to take part in competitive sport, under new government guidance to be published this week

I am guessing the paper has misreported this in some way and it doesn’t make sense. It is not the child’s pronoun that matters but their sex; and gender dysphoric children should never be barred from sport, they just need to participate according to their sex.

Thanks for the condescension.

I'm perfectly capable of understanding the difference, you are misinterpreting my posts. Why are you so invested in saying they've committed a crime? I'm not interested in second guessing whether what they've done is at the level of a crime. I'm not the police. I do think that they have been pushed into doing this through lack of alternative options, however.

I've not mentioned the naming of the individual. I'm not interested in that. If it's a criminal act, the police can deal with it though given they're not bothered about death threats to sitting MPs I can't imagine this will be high on their list.

Well the school should be aware of what the teachers they employ are teaching children.

If they are aware of what this teacher is saying and they condone it, the school is the problem.

If they were unaware then they should be grateful to these two students for bringing it to their attention and they need to have a long hard look at themselves and ask why a culture has been allowed to develop at this school where students feel they have to secretly record conversations with their teachers and leak them online rather than feeling safe and confident raising the issue with their form tutor or head of year.

Also, you don't understand how schools are supposed to operate @anyolddinosaur the SLT SHOULD know what is taught in every class, regardless of whether the parents say anything or not. There is a curriculum. It's not a free for all where teachers can just make stuff up as they go along. There are also professional standards of conduct which all teachers should be following at all times. Calling children and their opinions 'despicable' is not within those professional boundaries.

And I'm betting the parents raised concerns with the school and were shut down, based on all the other reports of this happening. Most teachers would know that speaking to children in this way is off limits, it's most likely there is school wide culture that enabled this. We don't know of course, maybe it's just a rogue teacher, I doubt it though.

@MargotBamborough said it better.

And yes, the point about these children not feeling safe enough to raise with any other teacher in the school is very well made.

Children don't feel safe in school - there are so many examples of children speaking up anonymously saying they know they'll be punished and castigated if they say there are 2 sexes. Many schools (not all, thankfully) have created a McCarthy - like climate of fear around gender ideology - believe or be punished.

These girls are brave. There will be hundreds of other classes like this where the girls being told to shut up about their opinion there are only two sexes and that maybe - just maybe - someone identifying as a cat needs some mental health support - will be cowed into silence. And never speak up again. They're being taught to walk on eggshells and not voice perfectly respectful beliefs and opinions that are protected in law. It's coercive control.

A teacher telling children they’re not welcome in the school if they don’t agree with that teacher’s factually inaccurate views

1. school is where children belong. Why the fuck is a teacher telling children they’re not welcome there

2. learning requires trust. Some of the things we want our children to learn aren’t obvious or self evident. But if teachers are telling children some things that are true and some things that are self evidently bollocks (that girl is a cat because she says she is), how are children to know what to learn and what to filter out for their own protection?

I hope those girls don’t suffer payback for this. They did the only thing they could do.

If the recording wasn’t there as proof the outcome would be the girls told they should go to another school, and they need training.

Unbelievable. Tg they got it.

"Deeply concerning" according to the Trans Safety Network

twitter.com/genderisharmful/status/1670701113748668417?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Yes exactly.

I think I said it before in this thread, but when I was at Catholic school in the late 90s/early 2000s, I had fiery debates with my RE teacher about abortion and homosexuality.

I felt entirely safe having those debates, even though I knew I was at a Catholic school and I knew what the Catholic Church and my teacher's views were on those topics.

Did my teacher tell me I was despicable and not welcome at the school?

No.

He encouraged me to join his philosophy A-level class.

He was also the teacher I chose to confide in when one of my friends was clearly having a major mental health breakdown and there was a serious safeguarding issue.

Teachers will be ordered not to recognise a transition within the school gates if the parents do not agree with it.

And neither students nor teachers will have to call another pupil by their preferred pronouns if they do not want to.

Even if parents do give the move the green light, heads must also consider the mental effects on other children before approving the gender change, following a long period of consideration.

Amazing and much needed.

Nancy Kelley not happy either. It's the usual: replies turned off and the quote tweets say it all. Completely oblivious to the fact that it's organisations like Stonewall that have been a part of the manipulation of children. Zero concern for, or mention of, the LGB. Or of other children who can be harmed by being forced to go along with the politics of adults etc.

"Trans and gender questioning children should be welcomed and free to learn at school. They should be protected from discrimination and safeguarded from harm. Children deserve better than being manipulated like tools in a politicised culture war."

https://twitter.com/nancymmk/status/1670704220603916290?s=46&t=WHoOZ3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

I've just watched some of these videos with the recording on Tiktok and I am very pleased to see that all the comments are overwhelmingly trans ideology critical. What a change from even a year ago. I'm glad this story has highlighted to me that the tide seems to be finally turning.

For people concerned about the recording of this teacher. The child in question identified as a cat. A cat.

And the two girls who objected were initially castigated on that basis.

On the basis of not agreeing that identifying as a cat should be respected.

The teacher in question is barking.

This sounds good to me

@User1438423 can you add a link. I have only heard about this now after reading the articles posted on here

Surely the exclusion from competitive sport must be misreported. I would expect that should be that they cannot play in their chosen ‘gender’ but still play in their sex.

Why would you exclude them from sport altogether? That would be discriminatory.

Previous threads have been pulled for sharing so no one is going to do that.

Ahhh okay. Thanks .

I'll imagine it will be the same use of the "ban" and "excluded" as for adults.

I.e, you are very welcome to be active and participate in sports as per your bio sex, but men cannot play/compete in the female category.

I thought that, also pre puberty most sports are mixed sex aren't they?

So if we're talking about schools it would only apply to the upper year groups.

Helleofabore · Today 10:07
Surely the exclusion from competitive sport must be misreported. I would expect that should be that they cannot play in their chosen ‘gender’ but still play in their sex.

Why would you exclude them from sport altogether? That would be discriminatory

I thought too that the paper’s report does not make sense.

It must mean they can only play in their sex.

She shouldn't bark. It will frighten the cat child.

Yes and seemingly, rather than appropriately considering the safeguarding of the cat girl the teacher chose to instead castigate the girls who raised concerns (ok, maybe not in the most sensitive way) about that child's mental health.

I hope that if my child were to identify as another species at school the school would be telling me and referring to CAMHS /counsellor rather than buying cat food for lunch and telling off other children for not 'affirming' her identity.

Good on those girls for not affirming her identity - to affirm in a delusion would be incredibly harmful and unkind.