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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What happened to the thread on the two school girls...

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ANameChangePresents · 18/06/2023 18:01

...who were being preached absolute codswallop at by their teacher?

I presume deleted, but why?

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HipTightOnions · 20/06/2023 10:55

The trouble with teachers is the gigantic ego

Steady on.

Don't tar us all with the same brush, some of us are fighting this dangerous nonsense and are as appalled as you are.

thirdfiddle · 20/06/2023 11:04

Teachers kind of need a giant ego, or at least to pretend to have one. You're basically performing to an audience all day, you need to keep their attention and keep things on track. You need to be in control.

This teacher was not in control though, she was flailing in embarrassing way trying to impose an ideology she couldn't properly explain. Hence the insults and threats.

DdraigGoch · 20/06/2023 11:12

Stretchytoes · 19/06/2023 13:41

My daughter was in this class and the video is pretty misrepresentative. The kids recording it have previously been very unkind to one very vulnerable girl in particular and I think the teacher is reacting to that after the child was left in tears by them (again). While it was badly handled by the teacher, and the girls were right to question things, the video isn't telling the full story. Also, no one identifies as a cat.

So for the sake of clarity, can you please tell us what that girl does identify as?

I'm going to assume that they are "non-binary". If the teacher wanted to tell them that she doesn't want them pointing out that "non-binary" is made-up nonsense, then fair enough, it's a distraction in class. The teacher however went further and started claiming that a load of unscientific wibble was fact.

FedgeHund · 20/06/2023 11:18

HipTightOnions · 20/06/2023 10:55

The trouble with teachers is the gigantic ego

Steady on.

Don't tar us all with the same brush, some of us are fighting this dangerous nonsense and are as appalled as you are.

If you don't have a gigantic ego I am not talking about you, if you don't believe in GI and don't bully. You don't know what goes on in other classrooms as you are not there. There is a lot of bullying going on, teachers went along with it, parents and governors spoke up, as did a tiny minority of teachers and the end result was the girls in this recording. Teachers have to take the sackcloth the secular world gave Christians, as it's the same issue.

FedgeHund · 20/06/2023 11:25

thirdfiddle · 20/06/2023 11:04

Teachers kind of need a giant ego, or at least to pretend to have one. You're basically performing to an audience all day, you need to keep their attention and keep things on track. You need to be in control.

This teacher was not in control though, she was flailing in embarrassing way trying to impose an ideology she couldn't properly explain. Hence the insults and threats.

The best teachers come into the profession after growing up and experience of the real world, in their 30s and are parents, as a child and as a parent. The best teachers lower their voice to get the class to settle, and are nice people not controlling bullies with fake gigantic egos everyone can't stand, in my experience anyway.

lifeinthelastlane · 20/06/2023 11:26

There's a lot of commenting around this involving a student identifying as a cat, seems odd it's all made up - not impossible though!
The teacher seems to have been saying you can identify as whatever you want, so perhaps the animal reference came from that

ScrollingLeaves · 20/06/2023 11:36

lifeinthelastlane · Today 11:26
There's a lot of commenting around this involving a student identifying as a cat, seems odd it's all made up - not impossible though!
The teacher seems to have been saying you can identify as whatever you want, so perhaps the animal reference came from that

If you read the DM article posted in this thread this morning, including discussion with one of the girls’ mothers, there was a child identifying as a cat.

FedgeHund · 20/06/2023 11:38

The mother spoke to the daily mail and it seems the other student was a cat, hardly surprising that the transage Wendy teacher believed in trans gender and trans species, she plays pretend that she is a nice knowledgable adult all day.

ScrollingLeaves · 20/06/2023 11:48

Catgender is a xenogender in which someone feels an extremely strong connection to cats or other felines, either strongly identifying with them or simply wanting to incorporate them into their gender to better understand their identity. It is used to describe a gender that feels feline. catgender individuals can still identify as a binary gender while being catgender. Catgender was created by an autistic individual to better define nya’s gender experience, but anyone may identify with catgender. Catgender may also be used by someone who identifies heavily identifies with cats or other felines or has delusions relating to being a cat or another feline.

One who identifies as catgender may use nya/nyan, mew/purr, kit/kits, or any other pronouns.

Similar terms include: catboy, catgirl, nyan-binary, or a personal term for self-description
https://mogai-genders.fandom.com/f.

A pronoun guide intended to educate Bristol University staff on gender inclusion has divided opinion due to references to ‘catgender’ and ‘emojiself’.

The university published this guide with links to sources stating that some people may identify as felines and others could use ‘emojiself pronouns’, which refers to the use of emojis to express a pronoun, which can be gender neutral.

According to the LGBTA Wiki the guide linked out to, "someone who is catgender may use nya/nyan pronouns". Nya/nyan means “meow” in Japanese. Catgender is also described as someone who "strongly identifies" with cats or other felines or “experiences delusions relating to being a cat or other feline".
https://sports.yahoo.com/bristol-university-caused-division-including-124705833.html

Xenogender

Xenogender is an umbrella term for non-binary gender identities that cannot be fully described through their relation to concepts typically used to describe gender such as masculinity, femininity, androgyny, neutrality, agenrity, or outherinity. Instea...

https://mogai-genders.fandom.com/wiki/Xenogender

FedgeHund · 20/06/2023 11:48

I am not particularly picking in teachers, it's just that is the thread topic. Pick any group, it was a very small minority that st o of against this nonsense.

As for playing pretend, I have seen it with politicians and HCPs, about s third of HCPs have gigantic egos and think they know everything, a third are lying fakes and a third are decent humans interested in making you better, interested in science and are competent. How do I know this, as a parent and patient with rare multi systematic issues, I have seen a lot of medics.

I was not in the least bit surprised that there are so many abusers who required DBS checks, the reality is like paedophiles there are sadistic people who train to abuse the vulnerable at work who don't necessarily have an interest in sexual activity. The reality is you don't know what your colleagues are doing, you can only speak for yourself.

lifeinthelastlane · 20/06/2023 11:52

ScrollingLeaves · 20/06/2023 11:36

lifeinthelastlane · Today 11:26
There's a lot of commenting around this involving a student identifying as a cat, seems odd it's all made up - not impossible though!
The teacher seems to have been saying you can identify as whatever you want, so perhaps the animal reference came from that

If you read the DM article posted in this thread this morning, including discussion with one of the girls’ mothers, there was a child identifying as a cat.

Well us, but a poster here said their dd was in the class and there isn't a cat there

FedgeHund · 20/06/2023 11:53

Because I have rare health issues I was advised by an expert to become a patient expert, hence I knew when HCPs were talking rubbish. The fake third who believe that it's best to fake it then leave the room to Google then return a pretend expert, do not actually give patients any trust they end up with zero trust like the gigantic ego HCP who knows Jack shit and fucks up your medical notes and health with shit letters full of rubbish.

Teachers are no different teaching bulllshit to children.

Sorry I have leftover issues from dealing with these monsters, they are widespread in society.

RealityFan · 20/06/2023 12:05

We're getting to the point where a regular kid is held up for apparently bullying another kid who IDs as cat, effectively any dissent against this most fake of fake genders in the fake ideology of genderism.

And when the regular kid is hauled over the coals, and they defend themselves in a most excellent, calm and rigorous way, the teacher beds down into pure passive aggression, whataboutery and every other tactic that defines arguing the trans activist position.

I recall one of the first stories that first started to peak me a few years ago, an eminent pediatrician who was effectively barred from her own conference for expressing views that how a kid IDs cannot be taken at face value, and must be questioned, anything less would be gross negligence.

She said the kid that IDs as astronaut, one cannot say to a 7 year old, that yes they are an astronaut.

As she posited this as a simple statement of common sense, the accusations came in she was a transphobe, and just like that, she was asked not to take part any further in public-facing discussions...at her own conference.

Seven years later, we're seeing the ultimate results of policy drift and activist hegemony in trans activism driving the agenda.

This teacher should reflect on her unacceptable conduct towards kids in her charge, and her frankly naive groupthink attitudes.

MargotBamborough · 20/06/2023 12:10

lifeinthelastlane · 20/06/2023 11:52

Well us, but a poster here said their dd was in the class and there isn't a cat there

So what is the child in question being bullied for?

Helleofabore · 20/06/2023 12:16

lifeinthelastlane · 20/06/2023 11:52

Well us, but a poster here said their dd was in the class and there isn't a cat there

We are waiting for the parent who posted this to tell us what the gender identity of the child in question is then? Because whatever the identity is, the girl's questioning it made the other student upset and cry by reports.

The reality is that no one should be forced to affirm a gender identity. And it is harmful for children to be taught that they should believe in and prioritise gender identities over and above the material reality of the sex of that person.

SunnyEgg · 20/06/2023 12:17

Helleofabore · 20/06/2023 12:16

We are waiting for the parent who posted this to tell us what the gender identity of the child in question is then? Because whatever the identity is, the girl's questioning it made the other student upset and cry by reports.

The reality is that no one should be forced to affirm a gender identity. And it is harmful for children to be taught that they should believe in and prioritise gender identities over and above the material reality of the sex of that person.

The reality is that no one should be forced to affirm a gender identity. And it is harmful for children to be taught that they should believe in and prioritise gender identities over and above the material reality of the sex of that person.

I agree and it sounds like this will be the new guidance which is good

MargotBamborough · 20/06/2023 12:22

Frankly, if your identity is so fragile that you need other people to affirm it, it's not much of an identity anyway.

Datun · 20/06/2023 12:24

The reality is that no one should be forced to affirm a gender identity. And it is harmful for children to be taught that they should believe in and prioritise gender identities over and above the material reality of the sex of that person.

This.

Also, cat gender is being held up as a ridiculous characteristic to identify as. But it's no more ridiculous as identifying as a sex you aren't. Or no sex at all.

It's all nonsense.

Helleofabore · 20/06/2023 12:31

It was also and still remains harmful to children and adults alike, to be told that everyone except people who 'hate you' will affirm your identity and prioritise it over the material reality of your sex.

I think it is time that the groups who have pushed this agenda acknowledge that they sold people a bubble. A polarised bubble that is actually discriminatory to other people, those who have been declared as the 'ignorant' or 'hateful' ones. And it has fostered a group of humans with very poor mental health outcomes.

Exactly who benefits from a group in society who cannot live outside an artificial life bubble? I mean, I had relatives who lived in a physical bubble as they were so allergic to the world, but I am talking about a societal bubble.

Exactly who benefits from this? Those who have no resilience to having their gender identity questioned? I don't see any benefit there for them at all.

FedgeHund · 20/06/2023 12:34

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FedgeHund · 20/06/2023 12:36

The people running the country owe the public an apology, each institution in turn.

PurpleBugz · 20/06/2023 12:46

@FedgeHund

SEN kiddos too. The starting assumption is bad parenting and no support need just maybe a parenting course. You need excessive amount of evidence to get acknowledgment there is SEN let alone support for the child. LAs spend a lot of money defending their decisions not to assess or not to support in court and are loosing something like 90% (don't quote me on the but the stat is high). I always think why not just spend the legal money on helping the kids. Why always start from a position the kid or their parents are lying

Doopersuper · 20/06/2023 13:00

Only listened to this today - it’s appalling.

FedgeHund · 20/06/2023 13:05

PurpleBugz · 20/06/2023 12:46

@FedgeHund

SEN kiddos too. The starting assumption is bad parenting and no support need just maybe a parenting course. You need excessive amount of evidence to get acknowledgment there is SEN let alone support for the child. LAs spend a lot of money defending their decisions not to assess or not to support in court and are loosing something like 90% (don't quote me on the but the stat is high). I always think why not just spend the legal money on helping the kids. Why always start from a position the kid or their parents are lying

Yes indeed, DARVO.

it only proved my point that my post was deleted too.

Helleofabore · 20/06/2023 13:07

I think that it is important to teach children the value of this sentiment. (Without the swearing of course)

I’d rather be rude

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