What happened to the thread on the two school girls...

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...who were being preached absolute codswallop at by their teacher?

I presume deleted, but why?

For some it doesn't seem to matter how serious the safeguarding failures the publishing of a public servant's name on social media (by children who can't reasonably be expected to be held to adult standards of online behaviour) seems to be the worse sin.

We see you.

Thank goodness. Finally some sanity is restored.

Compelled preferred pronouns are coercive control i.e. abuse.

This is on Mail online now and it's the second story so I expect much more sunlight.

My daughter was in this class and the video is pretty misrepresentative. The kids recording it have previously been very unkind to one very vulnerable girl in particular and I think the teacher is reacting to that after the child was left in tears by them (again). While it was badly handled by the teacher, and the girls were right to question things, the video isn't telling the full story. Also, no one identifies as a cat.

We all heard it. There definitely was cat gender mentioned regarding a girl.

And my son said he never saw your daughter that day.

But that is not what the teacher was addressing.

She was feeding them gender ideology and wrongly telling them those views were not valid or not welcome.

I can believe there is a backstory here, but that doesn't mitigate the approach the teacher took.

If this was a deliberate attempt to be unkind then address that. However I'd also suggest that it's not up to everyone in a room to not state their views as to not upset one person (assuming those views are articulated appropriately and without intention malice).

Yes, it is mentioned by the girls, but no one actually identified as a cat, so it's misleading.

So, you are saying that your daughter says no one in that class identifies as cat gender?

Or as another gender that the girls were saying they do not want to be forced to affirm?

There is no contex that makes the teacher's response ok.

She's threatening, aggressive, emotional
and shouts

She insults the girls, denigrates their parents

She states factually incorrect assertions like there being 3 sexes

She insists her belief about gender are fast and denies them any right of reply.

If they are the worst bullies in the world then they need managing effectively . If they kicked of alllll lesson and we only heard the last straw then she should have followed the policy and got SLT sooner etc.

No context makes this ok. Literally no background story means that an adult can insist young people agree there are 3 bio sexes and you can identify as a cat, on pain of being kicked out of school.

Kind of irrelevant what the girls did or if they are bullies. The point is this teacher said a lot of lies and threats. Wonder who taught them how to bully! This teacher seems a likely source of methods.

There is also a piece with the mother.
Not so confident and nothing to say when it's an adult and it's not a thirteen year old in a class alone.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12212063/Teacher-stays-silent-gender-row-scolding-pupil-questioning-childs-claim-shes-cat.html

Adults modelling bullying in the classroom is why there are so many sad people and despicable bullies in the world.

If this is true then as someone else said, staff at that school are barking.

Why are the police and NHS not sectioning them as a danger to the public and removing their own children from their care as they would with anyone else displaying FII symptoms?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12211691/EXCLUSIVE-Mother-Year-8-pupil-scolded-gender-proud-her.html

Thanks for providing another piece of evidence about why the girls were right to make the recording.

Even the mother in the article says she thought it was typical teenage exaggeration at first.

The CHILDREN being UNKIND (ah girls - know your place!) does not justify bullying by an adult in authority. This should be a sackable offense.

And, there will be other children in this class who absolutely agree with these girls but are bullied into silence by the coercive control of this insidious religion.

The school's statement was really offensive. They're not 'including' these girls - the teacher specifically says they're not welcome so the school needs to address that not say wishy washy nonsense. They're not including / discriminating against gender critical people in their school - and as the mother correctly points out MOST people agree with these girls, though may not be brave enough to say it.

It's equivalent to the teacher being Christian or Muslim and demanding that all the children in the class adhere (or pretend to adhere) to that religion. That wouldn't be deemed acceptable, so why is this? It's an absolute outrage and Ofsted should be involved.

Also - just to be clear - it's not unkind to have a different opinion to someone else nor to voice it in blunt language.

No-one has to validate another's identity. It's actually quite unkind to expect that of a child. This is what the definition of emotional abuse is in Keeping Children Safe in Education, the statutory safeguarding guidance for schools which all teachers should be trained on annually:

"Emotional abuse: the persistent emotional maltreatment of a child such as to cause severe and adverse effects on the child’s emotional development. It may involve conveying to a child that they are worthless or unloved, inadequate, or valued only insofar as they meet the needs of another person"

I have bolded the last bit. The scientific fact based opinion of these girls is not respected and they seem to be being valued in that classroom only if they meet the needs of other people.

That teacher should have read and been trained on KCSIE so would have known that forcing children to validate others is wrong.

I had this conversation recently with a HR colleague i really value. Her take was that even good faith questions about gender identity should not be raised in the workplace, because 'most vulnerable, marginalised etc'

I find the argument so baffling. How have we encouraged such vulnerable people to base their sense of self on whether the world agrees with them that it is possible to change sex.

That is such a fragile place to be and surely magnifies any under lying vulnerability. This is a house built on sand.

Conversely it condemns those who have any degree of scepticism to silence, regardless of what gender bollocks is being spouted. This is particularly pernicious in the workplace.

This whole artifice is just not sustainable.

Actually, realised I shouldn't have stopped there with the quote.

From KCSIE which is statutory safeguarding guidance.

"Emotional abuse: the persistent emotional maltreatment of a child such as to cause severe and adverse effects on the child’s emotional development. It may involve conveying to a child that they are worthless or unloved, inadequate, or valued only insofar as they meet the needs of another person. It may include not giving the child opportunities to express their views, deliberately silencing them or ‘making fun’ of what they say or how they communicate. It may feature age or developmentally inappropriate expectations being imposed on children. These may include interactions that are beyond a child’s developmental capability as well as overprotection and limitation of exploration and learning or preventing the child from participating in normal social interaction"

The bolding is mine but I would say all of the bolded bit is what is happening in schools 'persistently' with gender ideology and it's emotional abuse of all children including those identifying as something they are not - encouraging any child to build their self esteem on the perceptions of others is as @GrabbyGabby says so perfectly a house built on sand.

The artifice built on sand also removes the very real support of one built on rock ( the truth of ordinary physical reality) that might have helped a gender dysphoric person get back a balanced sense of self.

Yet these teachers know they should not do this, they carry on as a sacred caste unpunished and likely do the same at home and not just over this issue, why is this legally allowed? Why do others object to recordings pricing this behaviour is going on?I

Maybe these bully teachers are why there is a training and retention issue and if you clear out teachers like this one the problems may be solved?

When this mess comes crashing down it will leave a swathe of casualties in its wake

1. kids who have had healthy body parts removed, who may never orgasm or have kids of their own and will live shorter less healthy lives

2. The parents of the kids who they let this happen to (i have the least sympathy for those parents who support their kids on this pathway)

3. Trans people who just wanted to get on with their lives without having to convince the whole world they were actually the opposite sex

4. Gay people. Some of the gay community have been championing the T, despite the clear homophobia in the movement and the fact that predators are using self id to abuse women and children. This will roll back hard won and just gains for the gay community. It is already happening in America.

Bloody hell, seems there really is a kid who identifies as a cat, from that latest mail article. Unless child is out and out repeatedly lying to her mum and the Mail. Or the Mail is out and out lying about what she said. Neither of those seem likely.

Even the most ardent TRA people I know told me I was just taking the piss when I said "if I identified as a cat would you say I was a cat".

I cannot imagine my 14 yr old politely playing along with pretending classmate is a feline. It's asking too much of anyone.

You’re right

I think there may be further guidance that reinforces this this week.

Students will not be compelled to validate other people’s identity through pronouns or if they say they are a cat

If no one actually identifies as a cat, what is the girl being bullied for?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CtrkFEdg0yS/
As an ex teacher is modelling, we need to laugh at teachers and refuse them respect until they quit modelling bullying and do their job properly, never let them forgot they brought ideologies into the classroom.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ57zai5Cpk&pp=ygUXQ2hyaXN0aWFuIGNvbmNlcm4gdmljYXI%3D

The trouble with teachers is the gigantic ego, they think they know everything and are the best philosophers or the best at ethics because everyday they "know it all" amongst children, when they come across adults with better skills than them, they run away as the Rye Collage teschers, or bully as they do children as we hear in covert recordings.

Teachers should not be a sacred caste.