Woman loses fight to see daughter’s sex education content

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Well, this seems dystopian…

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/woman-loses-fight-to-see-daughters-sex-education-content-3j8cg9kkt

If, as they claim, trans people have always existed in society, why wouldn't children's parents understand it?

And that I think REALLY hits the nail on the head!

I think @OldGardinia makes an insightful point about the teachers (and heads) not wanting to take on the responsibility for teaching sex ed in the current dare I say religious / political furore.

Basic biology - teachers felt confident
Basic relationship stuff - respect consent boundaries etc. - teachers felt ok with
current climate - lots of teachers don't know what the hell is supposed to be going on.

@BaronMunchausen I would only say that I agree with you I would not be persuaded by the argument as I understand it. showing the materials, discussing the lesson plans and then the parent can at least counter the points made seem to me to be an important norm.

I feel Margot's point that the parent concerned was likely to go apeshit if she was shown was playing a key role in the decision making process.

Will definitely contribute to any appeal. Absolute madness. Don’t believe the commercial argument at all either. It’s reputational damage they don’t want. Perhaps try not having resources which are wildly inappropriate instead!

Well the Mail on Sunday are sharing a range of SRE resources in a very lengthy article today:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12189041/Twelve-year-olds-taught-anal-sex-school-nine-year-olds-told-masturbate.html

They've had to pixelate what's being taught. I wonder what the legal advice said about handling that material

The archive is at archive dot ph/kfNno

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I want these people in prison. I want them to never work in any position of power ever again. I'm far from alone in this. Tell me what I need to do to make these things happen.

MrsOvertonsWindow · Today 09:58

Well the Mail on Sunday are sharing a range of SRE resources in a very lengthy article today:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12189041/Twelve-year-olds-taught-anal-sex-school-nine-year-olds-told-masturbate.html

Thank you for MrsOvertons. Having read it I think it is wrong that sex education is mandatory in the U.K.

The providers seem to think what they have to say, and what they suggest children should be doing, is universally true. They seem to be intent on sexualising children at any cost, as soon as possible, and as though sex is a purely physical act, separate from any greater whole that is part of love, responsibility and or relationships.

I can’t find any words acceptable on here to express what I think about them.

It would be interesting to buy and read the whole of one of the books mentioned called Great Relationships and Sex Education by Alan ce Hoyle and Ester McGeeney. It is expensive but it would be good to have greater detail.

Have you added this link to the thread praising the Daily Mail MrsOvertons?

Sorry, that was an auto correct to Alan but the writer of the book mentioned is Alice Hoyle.

I think I did (or someone did) Scrolling.

Just in case anyone thinks these resources aren't real and/or being used, the one about the female pupil 'Tom' using the male toilets was in my son's PSHE booklet (year 10, comprehensive school in north Herts). The booklet only came home once, by accident. After that he hasn't been allowed to bring it home. Always collected in by the teacher. Head of year dodges all attempts to discuss it.

I thought that was really awful for two reasons.

Firstly, 100% of the focus is on how "Tom" felt not being welcomed into the boys' toilets. Not even one single jot of consideration is given to the boys who were upset by the presence of a female student entering.

Secondly, they have deliberately used the example of a harmless trans boy going into the boy's toilets and not 6ft trans girl Chloe entering the girls' toilets where a Muslim student is adjusting her hijab in front of the mirror and another female student is in a cubicle dealing with a heavy flooding situation.

They're literally teaching kids that if you're not trans your feelings and discomfort don't matter and that you need to put up and shut up otherwise you're a bigot.

Yeah my 7 year old is reading books at school that basically say if you like nice dresses and are male your family should support you and take you to pride. They agree the lessons are a "safe space" so should not tell parents what's being discussed.

And I can't pull her out of the class.

Luckily my daughter tells me everything and is not vulnerable to being drawn in herself. But she's being told her feelings don't matter if a boy says he's a girl. I can't wait for this to be tackled because the kids get in trouble if they question currently it's just wrong

My son said they were told that any 'disrespectful' questions or comments would earn a detention. So they all sat and said nothing.

In year 9 he told another pupil that he believed there were only 2 sexes, you were a boy or a girl and that was it.

That warranted a phone call from his head of year to inform me that he wasn't to say such things again.

DamePickle · Today 21:02
My son said they were told that any 'disrespectful' questions or comments would earn a detention. So they all sat and said nothing.

In year 9 he told another pupil that he believed there were only 2 sexes, you were a boy or a girl and that was it.

That warranted a phone call from his head of year to inform me that he wasn't to say such things again

What did you say to the head of year?

This article is still second on the Mail's online edition and has generated over 1,000 comments. They've evidently spent a long time researching this with clear evidence of real resources that are used in schools.

Good. This stuff needs blown wide open; parents need to raise hell.

The situation in Scotland is at least clearer - all RSHP teachings are online, all resources are viewable and provided by the government. There are still various issues with these resources, that are going to have to be challenged one by one.

But the situation in E&W seems ... unsafe, tbh.

Is this the 'anti-feminist' Mail?