Women's rights general conversations - Thread 5

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 4.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions, grr"- that sort of thing).

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We're taking this down to look behind the scenes. Thanks for all the reports.

Another guilt by association thread has arrived. We do seem to have a lot of them lately…..

Oh well, they'll wear themselves out eventually. At some point, they're going to have to accept that we are talking about this, they can't stop us and if they want to convince anyone of their argument they're going to have to make a proper one.

Oh, I've seen it now. Disregard my wittering there, completely irrelevant.

clue?

I thought it was going to be another "mumsnet please put fwr in special measures" thread, but it's about gender critical men and whether it becomes us to be associated with possible misogyny.

I haven't commented because I kind of agree with everyone. And I mainly think that we're all individually responsible for what we say.

Gonna guess this one, Dean.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4841252-to-ask-everyone-who-has-heard-of-using-pronouns-to-watch-this?page=1

Lots who won’t watch it because she’s evil, some who wanted to watch it but were put off by Kelly’s homophobic introduction, and of course the constant accusation that anyone agreeing with Kelly on this one single solitary issue must be a full-blown Nazi.

Oh! Hadn’t seen that one!

Yeah she didn't follow proper mumsnet rules for those sorts of posts

I saw the thread with pronouns in the title and got my usual foreboding feeling. I've given up even reading those - I'm convinced a klaxon goes off somewhere.

so was that started elsewhere, loaded up with dodgy material and then moved to FSG so that FSG gets blamed for the content? Because if so that seems deliberate, cynical and really wrong.

God just been on that thread. What the fuck.

Have all the don't you dare click on that right wing link posters all been released from somewhere on the same day?

I read the first couple of pages of that thread and was interested to see posters who we don't usually see on FWR and who have never heard of Megyn Kelly saying things to the effect of "well I might not agree with her stance on other issues but I like it on this one." If it's a thread to make all of us look like Nazis it may have backfired.

I think the first out the gate posters over played their hand somewhat!

9! Bloody 9 of them! How are the police supposed to be trusted these days!

NINE Humberside police officers found guilty of gross misconduct https://mol.im/a/12263255 

I've reached the stage where my automatic reacrion to that is 'Only 9?'

All there is that! They are being really shifty about the offences these officers did

[Name], 47, was sacked and barred from policing after a disciplinary hearing found he distributed and smoked cannabis, hired and had sex with a prostitute and covertly recorded women police officers, force staff and members of the public without their consent for his own sexual gratification over a seven-year period.

Jesus. I would HATE to think I’d been secretly filmed. For any reason, never mind “for his own sexual gratification”. Are men like this naturally drawn to the police force, or does the force make them into power-crazed sex offenders?

That’s my local police force. The same one that didn’t really put any effort into investigating multiple reports of a young man committing acts of gross indecency in the Hull area. The same man went on to abduct and murder Libby Squire in 2019.

What happened to Sarah Everard two years later had many echoes of what happened to Libby in that if the police had taken seriously the escalating behaviour of the perpetrators, those two women would both be alive.

Sarah Everard makes me so sad. To breach someone’s trust in that way, to use her natural instinct to obey the nice policeman, makes what he did even worse.

Helen Joyce on good form here with Peter Boghossian.

Be told!

An ethnic woman refusing to serve you with information is 'unhelpful'? Only if you have a colonial mindset.