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Women's rights general conversations - Thread 5

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Kucinghitam · 17/05/2023 08:08

Continuation of Thread 4.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions, grr"- that sort of thing).

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 4 | Mumsnet

Continuation of [[https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4728159-womens-rights-general-conversations-thread-3? Thread 3]]. There is so much excel...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4759300-womens-rights-general-conversations-thread-4?

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DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 01/07/2023 12:37

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 01/07/2023 12:23

A poet I know is planning an illustrated children's book about legendary figures of the British Isles and Ireland. He's looking for characters children will be at least a bit familiar with, but happy to expand beyond the usual suspects. Any women I should suggest?

I've already mooted Iseult, Queen Medh and Queen Isabella, and I think Queen Eleanor was suggested by someone else. Marian and Guinevere are a given, along with Boudicca and Liz I. Nessie looks likely to make the list (potentially as a lassie). Florence Nightingale and Mary Seacole got a good number of votes but I'm not sure they really count as 'legendary'.

Ooh - Mary's; nobody's suggested Shelley or Wollstencraft yet.

Who else?

Grace O'Malley / Gráinne Ní Mháille pirate queen, Saint Bridget with her cloak, Saint Gobnait - siccing bees on the bad guy is always fun.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 01/07/2023 12:44

Oh yes - excellent illustration potential with all of those.

Boiledbeetle · 01/07/2023 12:50

funnelfan · 01/07/2023 12:34

Presume it was an attempt to get FWR sidelined (or worse). Wasn’t this what happened at “The old place” that many of you came from?

Someone always wants FWR to shut up and go away!

Honestly considering they accuse us of only being six women strong I don't see why they have such an issue!😁

As I still don't know where the other/old place is Ill leave that bit to those who came from the land never mentioned to answer

SinnerBoy · 01/07/2023 12:56

IcakethereforeIam · Today 10:37

I learned yesterday, that Hebrew died out as a spoken language! And was revived relatively recently. As a result there are some words that are untranslatable. No-one knows what they meant, the 'gopher' wood the ark was built from? 'Gopher' is a literal translation of the letters used but was it a type of tree, a place, the local timber merchant, something else?

I had no idea that Hebrew had died out - I thought it was the language of Israel.

Similarly to gopher wood, nobody knows which flowers the Ancient Greeks called hyacinths - the Flowers of Adonis; it's assumed that they aren't what we call hyacinths.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 01/07/2023 12:58

The old place threated to close the entire site because there was a single thread on FWR issues.

I won't name it because it's now under new, more reasonable ownership.

But yes - remarkably similar MO. 'There's only 6 of them' but somehow the tiny numbers made the whole place uninhabitable and insupportable.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 01/07/2023 14:19

Check out the thread on site stuff right now.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 01/07/2023 14:22

There seems to be a lot of coat trailing and false flagging atm. No idea whether it's co-ordinated or just schools out hobbyists.

Boiledbeetle · 01/07/2023 14:40

I'm not getting involved, they want to slag off the FWR board and misrepresent what we actually discuss here then let them have at it. I can't be arsed with that level of batshittery.

IcakethereforeIam · 01/07/2023 14:45

Lots of 'I'm as GC as they come...' from what I've seen of it.

Boiledbeetle · 01/07/2023 14:46

IcakethereforeIam · 01/07/2023 14:45

Lots of 'I'm as GC as they come...' from what I've seen of it.

I laughed when i saw someone had written that all i could think of was the thread on here a while back!

Waitwhat23 · 01/07/2023 14:52

I see many of the frequent flyers having a lovely time on that thread.

And Suggestions has rolled out that bloody report yet again.

On the upside, a couple of names I don't recognise offering good rebuttals.

Boiledbeetle · 01/07/2023 15:06

I feel kind of bad for leaving Alison to it to argue with them amongst the new names arguing against suggs et al but she's got more patience than I have

Froodwithatowel · 01/07/2023 15:47

YetAnotherSpartacus · 01/07/2023 14:19

Check out the thread on site stuff right now.

Was just coming here to mention this.

SinnerBoy · 01/07/2023 15:58

YetAnotherSpartacus · Today 14:19

Check out the thread on site stuff right now.

I've just been for a look - I don't see Site Stuff - am I missing something? I saw some old threads, no recent posts.

Boiledbeetle · 01/07/2023 15:59

SinnerBoy · 01/07/2023 15:58

YetAnotherSpartacus · Today 14:19

Check out the thread on site stuff right now.

I've just been for a look - I don't see Site Stuff - am I missing something? I saw some old threads, no recent posts.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/4838748-mn-needs-a-closer-watch-of-fwr

MN needs a closer watch of FWR | Mumsnet

There is a concerning growth of posts with racist undertones cropping up on these boards, all under the guise of being proudly 'anti-woke'....

http://www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/4838748-mn-needs-a-closer-watch-of-fwr

SinnerBoy · 01/07/2023 16:02

Oh thanks - I thought she meant the old place...

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 01/07/2023 17:08

Lots of 'I'm as GC as they come...'

Followed by '...most vulnerable and marginalised...'.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 01/07/2023 17:21

Gosh that thread is full of ppl who claim to have been supporting FWR for years and are most definitely as GC as they come but now feel we’ve just gone too far

StephanieSuperpowers · 01/07/2023 17:38

It's all the drive by posters who can't make an adequately compelling argument here making a last ditch attempt to stop women being meanies by any means possible.

IcakethereforeIam · 01/07/2023 17:50

A fair number who never look at the threads but claim to know exactly what's on them. Also complaining that there are no 'ism' or 'ia' posts because they get reported and removed Confused

Waitwhat23 · 01/07/2023 18:00

Lots of 'I remember when this was all fields...'

Do ye, aye?

MouseMinge · 01/07/2023 18:14

What is FWR? Something women's rights? Feminist women's rights?

I looked at the Disney woke thread and the OP's further posts and don't see racism although I hate that the term woke is now used by those who want to be seen as "woke" and those who want to mock in such a way that it's become almost meaningless. If I was African American I'd be mad as hell about that.

Kucinghitam · 01/07/2023 18:21

I glanced at the Disney woke thread when it was a short little seedling, in a broad vague sense I disagreed with the OP (amazing, considering that FWR is a hive mind of a mere six troublesome old bigots or somesuch), didn't feel bothered to comment because (newsflash) I just disagreed in the aforementioned broad vague sense.

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Boiledbeetle · 01/07/2023 18:41

@MouseMinge

Feminism and Women's Rights

Gonners · 01/07/2023 18:49

Boiledbeetle · 01/07/2023 18:41

@MouseMinge

Feminism and Women's Rights

Arf! I'd never given it a lot of thought but had sort of taken it to mean "FOR Women's Rights", as opposed to the more usual position.

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